EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted January 8, 2006 Posted January 8, 2006 Don't they refer to Johnsonville brat Cheney as Johnsonville brat "No-Choice" Cheney?
OLAM Dad Posted January 8, 2006 Posted January 8, 2006 [quote name='Josh' date='Jan 8 2006, 05:24 PM']Coming from the stance of someone who doesn't live in the USA, it would seem important to me that democratic elections aren't a single issue affair (i.e. abortion). The Bishops Conference of England and Wales, at the last general election, released a document which showed the various issues at stake, namely those such as social justice, a willingness to welcome asylim seekers, care for the homeless, the Iraq War/foreign policy and abortion. I think, essentially, a Catholic must be a floating voter and must be astute enough to recognise what will be dealt with in the next session of government. Although abortion is a huge issue, it won't be dealt with soon (in Britain this is the case, at least). However, if you take an issue such as the Iraq War, then you have something which is most definitely at the forefront of the agenda. Many lives will be lost in Iraq as will many through abortion. [right][snapback]849738[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Josh, welcome to Phatmass. I understand your position, to an extent. I'm sorry and saddened that the reversal of abortion is no longer a viable political debate within Great Britain. However, in America it is very much an issue at stake. In fact, we are about to witness the ideological lynching of a Catholic judge who has been nominated to serve on our supreme court. This person could very well be the deciding vote in overturning Roe vs. Wade which legalized abortion in all 50 states. With that said, even if ridding America of the scourge of abortion wasn't a viable political option in the upcoming election cycle, that doesn't mean that we should turn our backs on the unborn and I hope that the fine Catholics in England don't turn their backs on them either and give up the fight. The abortion issue transcends politics. It is a moral issue and anybody who advocates or excuses the killing of our unborn children has a character flaw and I won't vote for him or her regardless of where they stand on other issues and I don't think I'm alone in thinking this way. You vote your conscience and I'll vote mine. Again, welcome. Michael p.s.- is the avatar you? If so, are you a Catholic priest?
Colleen Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 8 2006, 04:09 PM']Reagan changed his views on abortion between being Governor of California and becoming President. [right][snapback]849683[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Ah, thank you for clearing that up for me.
Sojourner Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 I'm independent. I've never voted in a primary. There are some issues I'm very conservative in and others that I'm not so conservative in.
Lounge Daddy Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 [quote name='Sojourner' date='Jan 8 2006, 08:41 PM']I'm independent. I've never voted in a primary. There are some issues I'm very conservative in and others that I'm not so conservative in. [right][snapback]849815[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i strongly urge you to read and listen to Reagan's speach [url="http://millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/diglibrary/prezspeeches/reagan/rwr_1964_1027.html"] "A Time for Choosing" (October 27, 1964)[/url] and spend some time reading US documents and signing up for weekly e-mails at the [url="http://patriotpost.us/"]Federalist Patriot online[/url]
Sojourner Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 I don't vote in primaries for professional reasons. And I like being an independent voter. I think even if I felt comfortable from a professional aligning myself with a certain party, I wouldn't do so.
Deeds Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 [quote name='Josh' date='Jan 8 2006, 10:24 PM']Although abortion is a huge issue, it won't be dealt with soon (in Britain this is the case, at least). [right][snapback]849738[/snapback][/right] [/quote] There may not be an outright ban on the cards any time soon, but things are looking promising for a reduction in the time limit. Many MPs have supported a rethink of the current laws. [url="http://www.aliveandkickingcampaign.org/"]http://www.aliveandkickingcampaign.org/[/url]
qfnol31 Posted January 9, 2006 Author Posted January 9, 2006 [quote name='Sojourner' date='Jan 9 2006, 12:53 PM']I don't vote in primaries for professional reasons. And I like being an independent voter. I think even if I felt comfortable from a professional aligning myself with a certain party, I wouldn't do so. [right][snapback]850443[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I might actually vote in them this time because I am worried about who will win those...
Sojourner Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jan 9 2006, 02:02 PM']I might actually vote in them this time because I am worried about who will win those... [right][snapback]850446[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I don't know if I could stomach having to declare a party. It makes me slightly ill to think about it.
qfnol31 Posted January 9, 2006 Author Posted January 9, 2006 I have a feeling the Democrats would not put up a pro-life candidate. That leaves me with the option of a smaller party (not really an option, sadly) and hopefully voting for a pro-life Republican candidate. Either way, it doesn't necessarily influence my presidential vote (well, hopefully it would!), but it does open new doors for better options than what we're looking at. What is it that makes you unhappy with the idea, if I may ask?
Sojourner Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 Well, from a professional standpoint, the party you register as is public record. I don't want to register as a R and then write about a political issue and have Ds come to me and say, "Look, you're totally biased and we can prove it -- you've registered as an R in the last X elections." Or vice versa. Most reporters I know are the same way, except for the ones who live in counties in which the primaries ARE the election (i.e., there are so few Ds that they're not a real option). Even though I know I have a bias and I'm sure that comes out in my reporting, I don't want people to feel that they won't be treated fairly when I write about them. From a personal standpoint, each of the parties has stances that I strongly disagree with. I prefer not to be allied with something I can't fully support.
qfnol31 Posted January 9, 2006 Author Posted January 9, 2006 That makes a lot of sense. I'm lucky to just be a student.
OLAM Dad Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jan 9 2006, 02:05 PM'] (not really an option, sadly) [right][snapback]850576[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Oh? Are 3rd parties outlawed in your state?
qfnol31 Posted January 9, 2006 Author Posted January 9, 2006 I don't think they have much choice of winning.
Lounge Daddy Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jan 9 2006, 03:05 PM']I have a feeling the Democrats would not put up a pro-life candidate. That leaves me with the option of a smaller party (not really an option, sadly) and hopefully voting for a pro-life Republican candidate. [right][snapback]850576[/snapback][/right] [/quote] oh ya – no way a pro-life candidate would make it in the dem primary EVER Any pro-life candidate wouldn’t get past the extreme liberal machine that tightly controls the party – and steers it according to their agenda The GOP doesn’t have the same control by any “Conservative machine” … so a pro-abort candidate could realistically do well in the primaries… and then get little support by principled conservatives in the actual election – thus handing the win to the pro-abort anti-self-defense pro-welfare state Dem The Dem controls on thier process is interesting, but not suprising (liberalism is elitism and elitism is control) I, personally attend every election – and in my opinion every primary is as urgent as the final election … I see it as “round one” and “round two”
Jaime Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jan 9 2006, 03:24 PM']I don't think they have much choice of winning. [right][snapback]850747[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Tell that to Abraham Lincoln.
qfnol31 Posted January 10, 2006 Author Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jan 10 2006, 10:34 AM']Tell that to Abraham Lincoln. [right][snapback]851515[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Lincoln lived how many years ago again?
Jaime Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jan 10 2006, 11:22 AM']Lincoln lived how many years ago again? [right][snapback]851555[/snapback][/right] [/quote] He was living at about the same time you last conceded a point to someone.
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