Quietfire Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Feb 12 2006, 12:37 AM']If they don't reply I'll know what to think of them. [right][snapback]884480[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Wow, I gotta say this. You sound so selfish and angry right now. I dont mean to be harsh, but listen to yourself. You were born out of wedlock, big deal. Opus Dei does not accept persons born out of wedlock into their order...Big Deal. It is not a personal attack against [i]you[/i], it is simply their rule. The fact that you cannot become a member seems to have clouded your intellect and most definitely, your feelings, now you are hell bend on judging their rules for entry, as well as judging them. It isnt your passion that is offensive, it's your attitude. That should tell you that they stick to their guns, so to speak,(and we need more of this in the Church) and that should be enough for you. Instead you whine, stamp your feet and throw tomatoes and ask us to support you. uh, no...no way. Look, Im sorry you werent accepted. Really. But Im not that sorry when your reaction is like that of a five year old not getting his way. All youre doing is bitching and not listening. Grow up, accept the fact that although you were born out of wedlock, God DOES want you here for a reason, be humble, pray, and wait for further instruction. Pax Edited February 12, 2006 by Quietfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 If you look at history, many of the greatest movers and shakers were also illegitimate. Some would posit the same angst you are feeling right now is what drove them to prove themselves in a world that values legitimacy. So, you can wallow in your own self-pity or push yourself to be more like: 1. Guillaume Apollinaire. Poet. 2. Sarah Bernhardt. Actress. 3. Giovanni Boccaccio. Author. 4. [b]Cesare Borgia. Catholic cardinal[/b]. 5. Aleksandr Borodin. Composer. 6. [b]Pope Clement VII.[/b] Spiritual head of the Catholic Church. 7. Leonardo da Vinci. Artist. 8. Josephine de Beauharnais. Napoleon's wife. 9. Frederick Douglass. Abolitionist. 10.[b] Alexandre Dumas[/b], fils. Novelist and playwright. 11. Desiderius Erasmus. Scholar and author. 12. [b]Alexander Hamilton[/b]. U.S. Secretary of the Treasury. 13. Jenny Lind. Singer. 14. Marilyn Monroe. Actress. 15. Bernardo O'Higgins. Dictator. 16. Francisco Pizarro. Conqueror of Peru. 17. James Smithson. Chemist and inceptor of Smithsonian Institution. 18. August Strindberg. Playwright. 19. Richard Wagner. Composer. 20. [b]William the Conqueror. First Norman ruler. [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Seems odd that the Opus Dei don't accept people who weren't conceived within marriage, it's not like they had anything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 also remember that you are very young. aren't you 14? I think you have to be an adult to join Opus Dei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Seek counseling, not attention on a message board. We don't need 3 threads reminding us that you're an illegitimate child, only to be later closed for inappropriateness. This is not something to dwell on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 First of all, please don't feel responsible for the sins of your parents. Second, I second what Sojourner wrote. Simply put in her current name. The way things are these days, there are a lot of people born out of wedlock, and the stigma does not exist like it used to. Third, regarding Opus Dei. I don't know how long the rule has been in place or who promulgated it, but take comfort knowing that whoever is responsible for it will have to answer to God on judgement day, and I personally would not want to be in those shoes. Fourth, I don't know if the Incarnation qualifies as an out-of-wedlock pregancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 ummm... quick side note: Please do not aspire to be like Cesare Borgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted February 12, 2006 Author Share Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Feb 12 2006, 11:37 AM'] Third, regarding Opus Dei. I don't know how long the rule has been in place or who promulgated it, but take comfort knowing that whoever is responsible for it will have to answer to God on judgement day, and I personally would not want to be in those shoes. [right][snapback]884711[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Thatr person has already been made a Saint... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Feb 12 2006, 01:02 PM']Thatr person has already been made a Saint... [right][snapback]884816[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Well, if it is St. Escriva who actually promulgated this, then perhaps he already accounted for it with God in his particular judgement or may have paid for it already in purgatory. If that is the case, try this: since he is a saint, ask his assistance in praying to God to get this unjust rule changed. For all we know, he may already be doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted February 12, 2006 Author Share Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Feb 12 2006, 02:08 PM']Well, if it is St. Escriva, then perhaps he already accounted for it with God in his particular judgement. Try this: since he is a saint, ask his assistance in praying to God to get this unjust rule changed. For all we know, he may already be doing so. [right][snapback]884822[/snapback][/right] [/quote] But he made that stupid rule. If opus dei is truly as good as this website makes it out to be, I surely want to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariology21 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Feb 12 2006, 02:12 PM']But he made that stupid rule. If opus dei is truly as good as this website makes it out to be, I surely want to join. [right][snapback]884826[/snapback][/right] [/quote] But don't forget it's where GOD wants you to join that you'll join. Ultimatly it's His decison. He created you to do a specific thing during your life. And if He created you to join Opus Dei and to carry out your vocation there then He will make it happen. (Remember nothing is impossible with God). If He created you to join another order then that's where you will be. Our vocations are always what God wants AND what we want. Right now maybe you're wanting something that God doesn't want for you. He'll let you know. And in the end the place you "end up" will be the place that will make you the most happy. Just keep praying for discernment. He'll lead you to where He wants you to be. Trust me I know this....for the longest time I was trying to make MY will fit God's will rather then work WITH Him. It was painful but ultimatly He showed me where He wants me to go and it's soooooooooo much better then what I was trying to get Him to do!!! ~Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Feb 12 2006, 03:12 PM']But he made that stupid rule. If opus dei is truly as good as this website makes it out to be, I surely want to join. [right][snapback]884826[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Opus Dei is a vocation, not a club. Many are interested, few are called. This is not simply a fraternal organization like the Knights of Columbus or a sodality like St. Monica's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Feb 12 2006, 11:27 AM']Seek counseling, not attention on a message board. We don't need 3 threads reminding us that you're an illegitimate child, only to be later closed for inappropriateness. This is not something to dwell on. [right][snapback]884671[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Here here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted February 12, 2006 Author Share Posted February 12, 2006 Cam, Does Opus Dei claim to be pro-life or not? If they don't I'll forgive them and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='mariology21' date='Feb 12 2006, 01:15 PM']But don't forget it's where GOD wants you to join that you'll join. Ultimatly it's His decison. He created you to do a specific thing during your life. And if He created you to join Opus Dei and to carry out your vocation there then He will make it happen. (Remember nothing is impossible with God). If He created you to join another order then that's where you will be. Our vocations are always what God wants AND what we want. Right now maybe you're wanting something that God doesn't want for you. He'll let you know. And in the end the place you "end up" will be the place that will make you the most happy. Just keep praying for discernment. He'll lead you to where He wants you to be. Trust me I know this....for the longest time I was trying to make MY will fit God's will rather then work WITH Him. It was painful but ultimatly He showed me where He wants me to go and it's soooooooooo much better then what I was trying to get Him to do!!! ~Jen [right][snapback]884828[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Catholicinsd, Another thing I would keep in mind: I'm sure a lot of Opus Dei people (be they formal members or cooperators) are not even aware of this policy; I know that I only found about it recently in one of your other threads. I've found that there are differing views even among Opus Dei cooperators, and they seem to vary with demographics (i.e., the rich suburbanites or those with storybook upbringings are typically less able to deal with people who "come from the wrong side of the tracks", in my experience with my former circle). I personally think this policy is very unjust and very unChristian and would hope and pray that the Work wakes up and sees how unChristian it is to penalize someone for someone else's sin(s) that they had no control over. But, ask yourself this: if the Opus Dei people you meet also agree with this policy (and I'm not saying that the ones you meet will), is this the group of people you want to spend your time with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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