Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='bx_racer' date='Mar 15 2006, 04:32 PM']oh hes ten by the way but he goes to a Catholic school, so they dont condone it there, if theyve even mentioned it. [right][snapback]912688[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually, a lot of Catholic schools teach that it's okay and a lot of priests teach likewise, mostly either because they reject the Church's teaching themselves (more common with lay teachers) or because they're afraid of offending someone and want to be "nice" (more common with the priests).
Anastasia13 Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='thessalonian' date='Mar 15 2006, 01:42 PM']Your soul knows the difference. We are not rabbits. The spiritual disease is worse than the physical ones. And yes I know premaritial sex has effects on the soul also. They would be different though. Pre maritial sex disorders the social abilities of a person, making them look toward another as somethone to use. Masturbation disorders toward solitude and loneliness. It is use of self in a distordered manner. [right][snapback]912695[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Well said.
Charms717RM1 Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='Raphael' date='Mar 15 2006, 06:31 PM']Actually, a lot of Catholic schools teach that it's okay and a lot of priests teach likewise, mostly either because they reject the Church's teaching themselves (more common with lay teachers) or because they're afraid of offending someone and want to be "nice" (more common with the priests). [right][snapback]912861[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Hehehe, my priest was ordained 47 years ago and doesn't give a rat's-who-know-what about offending people. He gave a 6th Commandment homily once that went so far as to break down the word masturbation into its Latin roots. Afterwards i was talking to some younger guys (probably around age 12 or 13) who were saying that they learned more during that 15-minute homily than they ever did in sex-ed or from their parents.
Brother Adam Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='Charms717RM1' date='Mar 15 2006, 10:21 PM']Hehehe, my priest was ordained 47 years ago and doesn't give a rat's-who-know-what about offending people. He gave a 6th Commandment homily once that went so far as to break down the word masturbation into its Latin roots. Afterwards i was talking to some younger guys (probably around age 12 or 13) who were saying that they learned more during that 15-minute homily than they ever did in sex-ed or from their parents. [right][snapback]913024[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Sha, cool! Intervention is the key. Catch them before they end up experimenting and addicted.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='Charms717RM1' date='Mar 15 2006, 11:21 PM']Hehehe, my priest was ordained 47 years ago and doesn't give a rat's-who-know-what about offending people. He gave a 6th Commandment homily once that went so far as to break down the word masturbation into its Latin roots. Afterwards i was talking to some younger guys (probably around age 12 or 13) who were saying that they learned more during that 15-minute homily than they ever did in sex-ed or from their parents. [right][snapback]913024[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's great...St. John Vianney was known to be extremely explicit from the pulpit, too, so that there could be no doubt about what he meant.
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 (edited) [quote]Just to add my 2 cents..... One of my pet hates is the problem with alot of people today the "If it feels good - do it" mentality. Using that kind of logic, I can say "I feel like taking your money".... etc... It may feel good to someone if theres alot of cash in it! ..... Not everything that feels good can be right...... Rob[/quote] You (not you you, but a general you) use the analogy that promoters of masturbation must be if it feels good do it. That's enough of a generalization and stereotyple that if I were to reply in kind, I would say demoters of masturbation are those that say if it feels good, it's bad. Typical rhetoric that the CC doesn't deserve I admit, but yes. Let me explain more. Goofing off instead of studying is bad. You don't prove your case by pointing out the extreme in someone else and saying the person who wants to take a break once in awhile (all of us) issomeone who says if it feels good do it. Moreover, some people, if God made us to be able know ourselves, are spiritual enough to know, to use an argument that is different than what you'd characterize promasturbationists with, that some excess is also bad in masturbation. Excess in anything is bad. Addiction to anything is bad. You have points in saying those spiritual dimensions. To neglect spiritual elements and unity with others in sex is bad. Think about how you can take pleasure smoking tobacco legitimately in the CC, which offers absolutely no nutritional affects. Maybe tobacco isn't really taught as infallible okay but ordinarily magistrierish okay I really don't know. I might say candy. You might incidentally say that these aren't spiritual, but I sure think of eating as spiritual. It's spiritual and it's selfish. But those you might argue weren't designed to be unitive. hhmm.. I guess I'll argue that there's gotta be something that you can take spiritual pleasure from from someone else that doesn't appear natural. Maybe not and I'm just arguing from abstraction. Even if I found an analogy that I thought fit though, I'd have to know God to know truth to know the spirituality to know if the analogy fits. That almost takes faith to know or perhaps we're too fallible and we can't really know ourselves completely or by the time we figured it all out, we'd be dead wondering why we didn't know sooner. Maybe the CC is God's solution. I honestly am not sure on that spiritual element. But definitely to characterize someone who is promasterbation as if it feels good do it, well again with my rant. Edited March 17, 2006 by dairygirl4u2c
Paphnutius Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 [quote]once that went so far as to break down the word masturbation into its Latin roots[/quote]I prefer the old way of referring to it to make a point "self-abuse."
scardella Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 [quote name='Semalsia' date='Mar 14 2006, 04:25 PM']Your body can't tell the difference between masturbation and sex. They are the same except in sex you'll be in contact with foreign substances and possible STDs. [right][snapback]911761[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually, I read somewhere that your body can tell the difference... it was something to the effect of releasing about 1/5th the number of endorphins after masturbation than sex. Anyway, even if your body didn't know the difference, your mind sure as heck does.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 [quote name='Paphnutius' date='Mar 16 2006, 10:44 PM']I prefer the old way of referring to it to make a point "self-abuse." [right][snapback]913655[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i agree. That is how all the trads talk about it. It would be a little weird for a priest to give a sermon about it with so much detail.
Cow of Shame Posted March 21, 2006 Posted March 21, 2006 [quote name='Semalsia' date='Mar 14 2006, 06:25 PM']Your body can't tell the difference between masturbation and sex. [/quote] Ah, not true. Males ejaculate more sperm during intercourse than during masturbation. (sorry, couldn't find a link for verification right now....will post if/when I find it)
catholicinsd Posted March 21, 2006 Posted March 21, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Mar 20 2006, 09:31 PM']Ah, not true. Males ejaculate more sperm during intercourse than during masturbation. (sorry, couldn't find a link for verification right now....will post if/when I find it) [right][snapback]916107[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Words of wisdom.
Semalsia Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 [quote]Actually, I read somewhere that your body can tell the difference... it was something to the effect of releasing about 1/5th the number of endorphins after masturbation than sex.[/quote] [quote]Ah, not true. Males ejaculate more sperm during intercourse than during masturbation. (sorry, couldn't find a link for verification right now....will post if/when I find it)[/quote] Ok well sex usually is better than masturbation, so maybe it does cause a stronger reaction. But that means they're still the same and we're only talking about magnitude. If masturbation can cause certain disease, then sex has the same or even greater chance of causing that same disease. That was my point. And if what you say is true, then you've only nicely proved it correct. I don't know what masturbation does to the soul, but some people were talking about cancer and stuff. And that can't be right... besides I've only read it having the opposite effect.
homeschoolmom Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Cancer? I thought it caused blindness, insanity and hairy palms....
ironmonk Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 13 2006, 10:52 PM']That is fascinating ironmonk, do you have a link to that study? I'd love to have it for my discussions with Protestants. [right][snapback]910875[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Sorry to miss this... I saw it some time ago on a news site linked from Drudge... it'll take some time to find it. God Bless, ironmonk
Cow of Shame Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 [quote name='Semalsia' date='Mar 22 2006, 11:29 PM']Ok well sex usually is better than masturbation, so maybe it does cause a stronger reaction. But that means they're still the same and we're only talking about magnitude. If masturbation can cause certain disease, then sex has the same or even greater chance of causing that same disease. That was my point. And if what you say is true, then you've only nicely proved it correct. I don't know what masturbation does to the soul, but some people were talking about cancer and stuff. And that can't be right... besides I've only read it having the opposite effect. [right][snapback]918638[/snapback][/right] [/quote] "Sex is better than masturbation, so I'll discount scientific findings as irrelevant and continue to maintain that they're exactly the same" lol There is a body of writing out there indicating that many women enjoy masturbation over hetersexual sex. I had a male coworker once who claimed 'self help' was better than being with his wife (who was good looking, for the record). What 'feels better' isn't a good measure, as some literature considers orgasm to be a primarily psychologically mediated experience. Sperm count wouldn't be related to what "feels better". Sex and masturbation, while on the surface appear nearly the same thing....aren't.
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