Holding Hands

[Resurrexi]

Seeing as I attend an Indult TLM and an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy, though I would happily attend a The Novus Ordo Mass in Latin, ad Orientem, Communion only on the touge, kneeling for Communion, Communion only from the priest, only males serving at the altar, with the Roman Canon (Eucharistic Prayer One), Decons or Alcolytes or Altar Boys wearing cassocks and not albs, priest in elaborite vestments, with all the smells and bells; I am never faced with the temptation to commit the mortal sin of the sacrilige of liturgical abuse by holding hands during the Pater Noster.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1040714' date='Aug 9 2006, 10:25 PM']
Seeing as I attend an Indult TLM and an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy, though I would happily attend a The Novus Ordo Mass in Latin, ad Orientem, Communion only on the touge, kneeling for Communion, Communion only from the priest, only males serving at the altar, with the Roman Canon (Eucharistic Prayer One), Decons or Alcolytes or Altar Boys wearing cassocks and not albs, priest in elaborite vestments, with all the smells and bells; I am never faced with the temptation to commit the mortal sin of the sacrilige of liturgical abuse by holding hands during the Pater Noster.
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And thank you for making it evident why you have the "[font="System"][color="#FF6666"]hello, i do not rep the church[/color][/font]" label. You are just like Budge and Eutychus. You erroneously misrepresent what the Catholics really teach.

Edited August 10, 2006 by Anomaly

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1040714' date='Aug 10 2006, 12:25 AM']
Seeing as I attend an Indult TLM and an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy, though I would happily attend a The Novus Ordo Mass in Latin, ad Orientem, Communion only on the touge, kneeling for Communion, Communion only from the priest, only males serving at the altar, with the Roman Canon (Eucharistic Prayer One), Decons or Alcolytes or Altar Boys wearing cassocks and not albs, priest in elaborite vestments, with all the smells and bells; I am never faced with the temptation to commit the mortal sin of the sacrilige of liturgical abuse by holding hands during the Pater Noster.
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must be nice to be more catholic than the rest of us....

[HS_Dad]

The body of Christ imagery is oftentimes used in Sacred Scripture to refer to the community of believers.
It is our father, not my father in the prayer.... That explains why it is appropriate... However, because many
use it in worship of us [instead of Christ] or because it may cause scandal to weaker brothers (see Paul's discussion
of how this should be avoided), it's understandable why one may wish to refrain.

It is too bad that a liturgical act of unity causes so much disunity amongst those who don't understand its biblical and theological roots..... Personally, I only hold hands around 20% of the time, depending on parish, etc. But, it's too bad its such a source of sadness and division.....

Edited August 16, 2006 by HS_Dad

[Fulton Sheen Warrior]

+JMJ+

Where did this 'holding hands' thing come from exactly? Did it come from the Church? Is it an implementation by the laity?

I personally detest it...but try not to let it bother me. The only thing that really bothers me is when people assume or make you feel obligated to hold hands.

[dUSt]

To me, holding hands is not about being uncomfortable with touching people, or having a problem with praying that way. I have no problem holding hands while praying, and I'd hold hands with anyone... just not at mass!

It's all about where your focus should be at that particular time in the liturgy. During the Our Father you should have undistracted focus on the Eucharist, and not your neighbors. The best way I've ever heard it described was that at that moment in mass, our prayers should be vertical, not horizontal.

[Resurrexi]

[quote] To me, holding hands is not about being uncomfortable with touching people, or having a problem with praying that way. I have no problem holding hands while praying, and I'd hold hands with anyone... just not at mass!

It's all about where your focus should be at that particular time in the liturgy. During the Our Father you should have undistracted focus on the Eucharist, and not your neighbors. The best way I've ever heard it described was that at that moment in mass, our prayers should be vertical, not horizontal.[/quote]

good point. I don't have a problem holding hands when praying, just not during the Divine Liturgy of the Holy and Sacred Sacrifice of the Godly Mass.

[quote] Is it an implementation by the laity? [/quote]

bingo

[quote] And thank you for making it evident why you have the "hello, i do not rep the church" label. You are just like Budge and Eutychus. You erroneously misrepresent what the Catholics really teach. [/quote]

I have the "hello, I do not rep the Church" as a punishment of making an alternate account to bypass suspension, thankyou.

Edited August 16, 2006 by StThomasMore

[Fulton Sheen Warrior]

+JMJ+

[quote]To me, holding hands is not about being uncomfortable with touching people, or having a problem with praying that way. I have no problem holding hands while praying, and I'd hold hands with anyone... just not at mass!

It's all about where your focus should be at that particular time in the liturgy. During the Our Father you should have undistracted focus on the Eucharist, and not your neighbors. The best way I've ever heard it described was that at that moment in mass, our prayers should be vertical, not horizontal.[/quote]

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1044504' date='Aug 16 2006, 08:47 AM']
good point. I don't have a problem holding hands when praying, just not during the Divine Liturgy of the Holy and Sacred Sacrifice of the Godly Mass.
bingo
I have the "hello, I do not rep the Church" as a punishment of making an alternate account to bypass suspension, thankyou.
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Dust does not give out the "hello, I do not rep the Church" moniker for breaking the phorum guidelines.

[Resurrexi]

Well, I never got it before that.

[cmotherofpirl]

GRRRRr, I went to a funeral Friday with a visiting priest and he told us to hold hands

[Resurrexi]

Sacrilige!

[Franimus]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1044615' date='Aug 16 2006, 11:39 AM']
GRRRRr, I went to a funeral Friday with a visiting priest and he told us to hold hands
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maybe to express support of each other in getting through the emotionally hard time...

[Ellenita]

[quote]I somehow dont think wine has enough alcohol in it to kill all the germs of several hundred people drinking out of the same cup. [/quote]

There is of course the small matter of faith in receiving the body and blood of Our Lord....


[quote]Where did this 'holding hands' thing come from exactly? Did it come from the Church? Is it an implementation by the laity? [/quote]

Is it peculiar to the US?!

[una_fide]

I answered that I try to avoid it (during Mass), because it goes against the sybol of the priest extending his hands praying in the name of the Church (he extends his hands praying for us all), and we folding our hands praying in our own names (not to say we are not praying in the name of Jesus, just that we represent ourselves, not the whole Church). But this last Sunday I thought about holding this guy's hand during the Our Father, because he looked very bored and uninvolved, if not sad or depressed.

Edited September 5, 2006 by una_fide

[Deo Iuvente]

I never hold hands. Ever since I was a small child, I've had a weak immune system and I catch sicknesses easily. That's made me a bit of a germaphobe,I don't like to hold hands, or really even shake hands with people that I don't know,much less hold hands with someone I've only been sitting next to for twenty minutes or so. But I have'nt the slightest idea what to do when someone expects me to hold their hand (Or in the rare case that they try to make my do it)

[friendofJPII]

I kinda like it, but I understand why some may be uncomfortable. I think it should be optional, and no one feel obligated.

[kateri05]

i fold my hands in front of me in prayer, close my eyes and look down. that way, there is nothing to grab, and you can't see people's "offers" to refuse them!

haven't had a problem yet!

[Lil Red]

[quote name='kateri05' post='1409433' date='Oct 25 2007, 09:40 PM']i fold my hands in front of me in prayer, close my eyes and look down. that way, there is nothing to grab, and you can't see people's "offers" to refuse them!

haven't had a problem yet! [/quote]
i had someone tap me on the shoulder. i pretended i didn't feel it.

[Mercy me]

The proper position duringthe Our Father is the orans position. Since I know this, I feel that I should follow the correct form. I don't like holding hands but if someone reaches out I won't refuse.