Jesuspaidtheprice Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Didn't your mom ever teach you that when you point one finger at someone else you point four back at yourself? For as much as you like to judge others I hardly ever see you make any kind of cognitive point. Christ talked about judging others and the manner in which it is to be done in the Gospels. If you have a Bible, I would encourage you to look it up. If not you can go to www.gospelcom.net. I still stand on my previous point. I highly doubt in the vast empire of telecommunications and the reorientation of Rome to focus evangelization that we will see any more crusades in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1019318' date='Jul 7 2006, 01:14 PM'] disobedience! how dare you not accept the pope's teachings!? [/quote] StThomasMore, you are silly. You go all crazy because not everyone agrees that the Crusades were such a great thing, yet you still refuse to accept things that you ought to authentically accept, especially in regards to the order of the Mass. Of course, we love you all the same But please, get yourself figured out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 No, I completely love the NO and accept is if it is just like Cam's parish. If it's not like that than I don't like it at all and think it liturgically abusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 It would be hard to say that St. Francis ever "supported" the crusades the way STM defines it. Was the Church wrong to make him a saint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Of course St. Francis supported the crusades. He may not have participated in them physically, but he most certainally prayed for the Christian soldiers that they would succeed and believed that they were just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Actually, he did participate in them physically and gave witness to the power of conversion and persuasion against force and violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 did you know that St Francis once took up a sword against an heretic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Sounds familiar and it wouldn't surprise me (Francis was not a pacifist), but what does that have to do with the crusades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 [mod]Doesn't belong here... - inDEED[/mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Are you really only 12? You should let your parents know you say stuff like that. I am sorry I wasted my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 (edited) I do support the Crusades, definitely. Sorry, that totally did nothing to contribute to the thread Edited July 10, 2006 by goldenchild17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I'm not ashamed of it if that's what you mean. Those were brave Christian men, I try and pray for them still......you know just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 [quote name='pyranima' post='1018644' date='Jul 7 2006, 02:25 AM'] most people dont understand the background of the crusades. i like to put it like this: if i came into your house killed your family and kicked you out do you have a right to take back whats yours and have justice? then why dont we Christians? think of it this way... If someone took over the Vatican and the area around it would we have the right to march to retake it? **GRABS SWORD AND SHIELD** "To Rome" [/quote] What our Lord asks us to do in these situations, is turn the other cheek. I often have to think about this Dominican sister I saw in a TV interview. She described her habit and the reasoning behind it. At the end, she pointed at her rosary, commenting "And this is our sword!". So, feel free to grab your sword and shield! You don't even have to go to Rome. It works long-distance. (Although Rome is quite a beautiful city worthy of your visit ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like a Child Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 [quote name='Crusader_4' post='1018452' date='Jul 6 2006, 01:09 PM'] Am I ashamed of the firebombings of dresden, am I ashamed of the Bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima of course I am. Am I ashamed of WWII of course not. Am I ashamed of the sack of constantinople of course am I ashamed of the Crusades of course not. We must be careful not to judge a war or a crusade by the motives of a few men or the incidents of some. I am completly pro-crusade. [/quote] I am ashamed of all war, all bombings, all violence. Christ Himself would not "support the Crusades". He tried (perhaps in vain it seems) to teach us a different way. The Gospels are nothing else if not a roadmap to peace. And I AM a Catholic, not a "Catholic". The word comes from [i]katholikos[/i] --it means "universal". We may not agree on all points. . .but there is room enough in the Church for you and I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruso Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 The war of my countrie, Spain against the islam was a crusade, 711-1492. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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