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"name one miracle where nothing [apparently] happens" (added "apparently" because it was clear from your context)

The Incarnation.

God does not perform verifiable miracles on an ordinary basis, as it would destroy all hopes of supernatural God-given grace. He only performs such indisputable miracles extra-ordinarily as a supplement to faith.

The Passion of the Christ was so greusome it got rated R. I guess the bleeding Lord Jesus Christ must have been from Satan, huh? good logic, dude.

Posted

[quote]"name one miracle where nothing [apparently] happens" (added "apparently" because it was clear from your context)

The Incarnation.[/quote]

Nope wrong.

You are forgetting something...

The RESURRECTION.

{and Jesus did many things in view of folks that a normal person COULD NOT DO}

:rolleyes:

Birgitta Noel
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[quote name='Budge' post='1040087' date='Aug 9 2006, 07:25 AM']
Nope wrong.

You are forgetting something...

The RESURRECTION.

{and Jesus did many things in view of folks that a normal person COULD NOT DO}

:rolleyes:
[/quote]


Ummm, that doesn't meet your own criteria that "nothing happens". In the resurrection HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, in my book that's something. In the incarnation God BECAME Man, but there's no visible proof that Jesus is God....

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If we want to learn about Jesus it makes sense to turn to the Apostles, and if want to understand what the Apostles said and wrote, it makes sense to the turn their successors. And what we find is, that the early Christians *did* believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Sacrament.

I'm thinking of St Ignatius' letters in particular (~105 AD)

It is a belief that no only goes back to the beginning, but is universally held by the Western and Eastern Churchs which are apostolic. That alone should make any contemporary innovator stop and think.

Thus we are not worshipping a graven image, no more than the Aaronite priests were worshipping a graven image when God commanded them to construct the ark WITH THREE DIMENSIONAL STATUES OF ANGELS.


Gotta use the the ol' pea in the head sometimes.

Posted

[quote name='Budge' post='1039672' date='Aug 8 2006, 08:57 AM']



Do me a favor and name one "miracle" in the Bible where NOTHING happens, that is able to be seen or felt or heard by any of the people talked about in the Bible.


[/quote]


Genesis 1:3-5

Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
God saw how good the light was. God then separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." Thus evening came, and morning followed--the first day.

Every day you wake up to a miracle, every night you go to bed to another . . . and most people, in the Bible, in the world today . . . see it, but think nothing unusual is happening

Posted

Light can be discerned and changes ones life.

If we were all stumbling around in the dark things would be pretty messed up.

:rolleyes:

Posted

[quote name='Budge' post='1041664' date='Aug 11 2006, 03:12 PM']
Light can be discerned and changes ones life.

If we were all stumbling around in the dark things would be pretty messed up.

:rolleyes:
[/quote]


but no one "sees" it - such a commonplace miracle it is taken for granted

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