I'm about to post phatmass "sacrelige"

[MIKolbe]

I like Hip Hop...

but i think i like the stuff that kinda helped to make hip hop...

Funk
Blues
Jazz
old school R & B

not to much into rock..

[desertwoman]

Hip Hop is my outlet and my muse. I listen to all other genres of music as well, I 'm not a picky person, but hiphop will always be my muse.

[onlygrace08]

[quote name='Domine ut Videam' post='1051618' date='Aug 27 2006, 01:50 PM']
come on the Beatles are awesome!

"Help! I need somebody, Help, not just anybody! Help, I need somebody! HELP!!!!!!"

Sing with me! :
[/quote]


Yeah Beatles!!!!! : I'm not that fond of hip-hop... I've not listened to much of it and, what I have heard, I have found most offensive and degrading. I don't think I have ever listened to Catholic hip-hop though... maybe I should try it....

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Phatmass made me like hip-hop. Catholic hip-hop that is.

[Sojourner]

I'm not a huge hip-hop fan but there is some I really like ... I tend to find something I like in just about every genre, though. My tastes run from Audioslave to John Mellencamp to indie folk singers to U2 and just about everything in between. I even like some country, from time to time.

[Socrates]

I can't stand hip-hop/rap nor the "culture" that goes with it.
(and I'm not even [i]that[/i] old!)

I mean no disrespect to the Catholic rappers on Phatmass using this medium to convey a Catholic message, but I myself really have no use for the sound nor the style.

Hip-hop/rap is musically very lacking and repetitive, and generally evokes no emotional response from me other than annoyance, and I think has been a negative influence on pop music in general, helping further drive down musical standards. (Why learn to play or sing when you can just shout vulgarities over a beat-box, or over a "sample" of someone else's music played over and over and over?)
The "hip-hop culture" for the most part is degrading, glorifying the life of thugs, pimps and 'hos, and crass materialism, sex, and violence. When vast numbers of middle-class kids, black and white, seek to emulate the lowest scum of society, that is a sad and disturbing thing.

Edited August 28, 2006 by Socrates

[God the Father]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1051823' date='Aug 27 2006, 10:27 PM']
(Why learn to play or sing when you can just shout vulgarities over a beat-box, or over a "sample" of someone else's music played over and over and over?)
[/quote]

Because you have no money? No place to buy an instrument or money to buy it with? No way to get anywhere besides walking because you have no money? Because you have no one to support you? Because there's no one to take lessons from and no money to pay them? Because you've got things to say and no one to listen to you because they've got problems of their own? Because all you really have is a 4 track recorder and an extremely vague grasp of a pidgin of the English language because the inner city public school system has failed you completely?

I HONESTLY HAVE NO IDEA

[adsdrummer]

Hate is such a strong word. so, i seriously, despise hip-hop or rap. If one must use the word hate, for me it would be country music. what a waste of a genre. classic rock and some modern rock, maybe some alt rock for me. those are my main tastes.

[Era Might]

Sampling is the genius of Hip Hop. It's an art of making something new out of something that already exists.

The face of all art is brought low by commercialism. Cinema for the masses is pretty bawdy. That's what people like. But to truly appreciate cinema, you have to have an understanding that goes beyond what movies are opening every week. You wouldn't be taken very seriously if you ranted how cinema is degrading and evil and whatever because it's been hijacked for mass consumption.

Hip Hop, like all art today, struggles between purism and commercialism.

Nevertheless, those who have more than a superficial interaction with the culture know that rap music, and the culture as a whole, is beautiful, creative, innovative, and profound, and of course, entertaining.

That's right, I said it. Hip Hop is beautiful.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='God the Father' post='1051829' date='Aug 27 2006, 08:41 PM']
Because you have no money? No place to buy an instrument or money to buy it with? No way to get anywhere besides walking because you have no money? Because you have no one to support you? Because there's no one to take lessons from and no money to pay them? Because you've got things to say and no one to listen to you because they've got problems of their own? Because all you really have is a 4 track recorder and an extremely vague grasp of a pidgin of the English language because the inner city public school system has failed you completely?

I HONESTLY HAVE NO IDEA
[/quote]
Exactly my point. Either you have never been really poor, or you have never had to work hard for yourself, or ...

I know too many really poor people and real musicians to know that what you just posted is the glorification of wallowing in vicitimazation and unwillingness to to shoulder the burdens life gives you.
And if you live in America, how stupid do you have to be to have to learn the language from public school. Hello, listen to the radio, or TV, or read a comic book. If all you listen to is pidgin English from the culture of 'hip-hop', don't complain about the stink if you insist on crapping in your own bed. That is insulting to everyone of us who came to this country not speaking the language, no education, and no money.

[heavenseeker]

hate is such a strong word, surely you dont hate anything.

i dont like mainstream rap/hip-hop but the christian/catholic stuff and fun songs done by small groups, phatmassers most deff. i love to hear!

as long as it isnt volgar (sp?) i dont mind the stuff

[uruviel]

I agree with HS. As long as it isn't vulgar, i don't mind all of it. But it's very rare, its' hard to find passionate yet pure music. I don't like hip hop that much, sometimes if the song has a really good beat. I don't like rap most of time, yeah, some rap is ok. But, I wouldn't say I hate it, and I wouldn't say I love it.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1051862' date='Aug 27 2006, 09:18 PM']
Exactly my point. Either you have never been really poor, or you have never had to work hard for yourself, or ...

I know too many really poor people and real musicians to know that what you just posted is the glorification of wallowing in vicitimazation and unwillingness to to shoulder the burdens life gives you.
And if you live in America, how stupid do you have to be to have to learn the language from public school. Hello, listen to the radio, or TV, or read a comic book. If all you listen to is pidgin English from the culture of 'hip-hop', don't complain about the stink if you insist on crapping in your own bed. That is insulting to everyone of us who came to this country not speaking the language, no education, and no money.
[/quote]
I thought "God the Father" was joking around, but anyway . . .

It usually costs more to buy equipment for sampling, etc. than to buy a guitar or other simple instrument.

Most of the old-time bluesmen and other black musicians in the past had pretty much nothing in the way of money or material goods when they started out, and had to put up with way more racism and oppression than today's hip-hop "artists," yet they made much better music.
Blaming a lack of musicianship on poverty is ludicrous. And once the rappers are millionaires, what's their excuse?

Edited August 28, 2006 by Socrates

[God the Father]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1051862' date='Aug 27 2006, 11:18 PM']
I know too many really poor people and real musicians to know that what you just posted is the glorification of wallowing in vicitimazation and unwillingness to to shoulder the burdens life gives you.
And if you live in America, how stupid do you have to be to have to learn the language from public school. Hello, listen to the radio, or TV, or read a comic book. If all you listen to is pidgin English from the culture of 'hip-hop', don't complain about the stink if you insist on crapping in your own bed. That is insulting to everyone of us who came to this country not speaking the language, no education, and no money.
[/quote]

What did you just say? Inner city children learn the language from public school because the law makes them go to school, and thats the district they live in. Inner city children turn on the TV, what are they going to watch? The news? More reports of blacks getting shot by police officers after trying to rob a convenience store at gunpoint? They put on the radio, what are they going to listen to.... OH WAIT IT'S RAP MUSIC GUYS. Money makes the world go round, and many young adults in the inner city have none of it. And when they turn on the TV, or listen to the radio, or walk past a corner, they learn the easy ways to make it: Rap, Sports, and Drugs. They could work through a school system where the teachers don't care, the superintendents and CEOs do everything they can to improve the situation but more often than not the people who work with the students want nothing more to get into a suburban district and it just doesn't work. Some people do, there are black lawyers, politicians, doctors, news anchors, teachers, businessmen, everything in fact. Legislation is being passed to help level the playing field when it comes to bringing inner city youth into the middle class fold. But that doesn't change the fact that they are being bombarded daily by the people who've made money by displaying athletic or artistic talent. When you have nothing but a 4 track recorder and your vocal talents, and can somehow use this to make millions of dollars, it's easy to understand why one would shout vulgarities over sampling instead of learning to sing or play an instrument.

By the way, your self-righteous attitude upsets me. Let it be known that I had no intention of "insulting" you.

[Anomaly]

My bad. I didn't get the joke while I was thinking of the guitar I bought for $5. I have no musical talent, but my kids learned to play the piano by listening to the radio and plinking on a piano at social halls or churches or civic centers ,etc. If you have talent, music, instruments, and support come.

[quote name='God the Father' post='1051887' date='Aug 27 2006, 09:41 PM']
What did you just say? Inner city children learn the language from public school because the law makes them go to school, and thats the district they live in. Inner city children turn on the TV, what are they going to watch? The news? More reports of blacks getting shot by police officers after trying to rob a convenience store at gunpoint? They put on the radio, what are they going to listen to.... OH WAIT IT'S RAP MUSIC GUYS. Money makes the world go round, and many young adults in the inner city have none of it. And when they turn on the TV, or listen to the radio, or walk past a corner, they learn the easy ways to make it: Rap, Sports, and Drugs. They could work through a school system where the teachers don't care, the superintendents and CEOs do everything they can to improve the situation but more often than not the people who work with the students want nothing more to get into a suburban district and it just doesn't work. Some people do, there are black lawyers, politicians, doctors, news anchors, teachers, businessmen, everything in fact. Legislation is being passed to help level the playing field when it comes to bringing inner city youth into the middle class fold. But that doesn't change the fact that they are being bombarded daily by the people who've made money by displaying athletic or artistic talent. When you have nothing but a 4 track recorder and your vocal talents, and can somehow use this to make millions of dollars, it's easy to understand why one would shout vulgarities over sampling instead of learning to sing or play an instrument.

By the way, your self-righteous attitude upsets me. Let it be known that I had no intention of "insulting" you.
[/quote]What's cheaper? A 4 track recorder or a guitar?

I'm not being self righteous, I'm proud of the hard work I and my immigrant family have put in to be where we are now. Poverty, race, and poor circumstances aren't an excuse, they're a problem. The only people who don't have problems, are dead people.