Do you support the Inquisition?

[Eutychus]

Ustashi, Croatia against Orthodox

Lebanon, against Baptists

Mexico, against Pentecostals

Where she can, she does.

[thessalonian]

[quote]
So you folks have no empathy for the fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, who lost one of their love ones to Rome burning them at the stake for what they believed?[/quote]

Of course we do. We also believe that the Bible gives the government authority to use the sword when it sees fit in Rom 13. I haven't seen much empathy from any protestants for the hundreds of Catholics who had their bowels ripped out while they were still alive by the good queen Bess (Elizabeth). Don't recall too much outrage over that from you guys.

[quote]You think this should be going on today?[/quote]

Nope, times have changed and there is less culpability and heresy does not create near the problems for the state that it did back then. Unfortunately people have a much harder time discerning it also it seems.



[quote]{this puts all the "seperated brethern" stuff really into question}
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Nope not at all. It just puts in to question your understanding of it.

[ruso]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1054594' date='Aug 31 2006, 10:31 PM']
Ustashi, Croatia against Orthodox

Lebanon, against Baptists

Mexico, against Pentecostals

Where she can, she does.
[/quote]
USA, Episcopalians, Baptists and evangelicans against Catholics

Rusia, Orthodox against Catholics

Great Britain, Anglican against Catholics

I know more, with pursued of any Christian branch by others.
We recall the old clashes? or we advance for the talk that is opened among Christians.

[Budge]

When ANYONE kills someone for their beliefs they are sinning against God, that includes PROTESTANTS.

Ok so why do you folks excuse it when YOUR SIDE does it?

[ruso]

Unfortunately, today remains people in both sides that feels hatred by your brothers, fortunately are not many.
I am a Spaniard although not born here, already you know the inquisition more famous, although not the worst, in my countrie has been pursued during centuries to the Protestants, and we are not proud of it.
But the catholics Spanish if we are it to maintain our faith and to evangelize for the world, Philippines was the only Christian countrie of Asia to the independence of Timor, p.e.
The fights and discriminations are recent in some places(Ireland, Bosnia, Croatia..........), I do not justify the pursuits against Protestants, like you the pursuits against Catholics. What we have to cause is to continue the road that framework Jesus Loving and to forgive, As our Pope says and himself that various head Protestants.

[tojo]

It's very convenient to be able to start new churches anytime and disassociate yourself from all other Christians who did unpleasant things in the past and say "We're not part of them."

I certainly did when I was Pentecostal. I was proud that we had never instigated (as far as I knew) any persecution against others. I (conveniently) ignored the fact that Pentecostalism began around 1900 in the United States and has never held any significant political clout.

[Budge]

[quote]I do not justify the pursuits against Protestants, like you the pursuits against Catholics. [/quote]

I do not support violence against anyone.

In fact I said I was against it already, BUT over 70% of those answering this thread have VOTED YES for supporting the Inquistion.

[quote]
It's very convenient to be able to start new churches anytime and disassociate yourself from all other Christians who did unpleasant things in the past and say "We're not part of them."[/quote]

Im not part of them...

1Jo 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:[size=5] whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.[/size]

Ie this means all those Puritans who burned people at the stake, any Prots who take up arms against folks are GOING AGAINST Gods Word.

Whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God...

[ruso]

[quote name='Budge' post='1055441' date='Sep 2 2006, 04:25 AM']
I do not support violence against anyone.

In fact I said I was against it already, BUT over 70% of those answering this thread have VOTED YES for supporting the Inquistion.
Im not part of them...

1Jo 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:[size=5] whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.[/size]

Ie this means all those Puritans who burned people at the stake, any Prots who take up arms against folks are GOING AGAINST Gods Word.

Whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God...
[/quote]
Hate, hate hate.......are you a Christian? My broters don't support the old inquisition. Only the congregation for the the doctrine of the fait, the old prefect is the actual Pope. You put not with he.

[Resurrexi]

um... Ruso... I think it was well understood that the 70% from the poll support the 'old' Inquisition. Also, for all those who were saying that I'm an idiot, radical wierdo &c. I think you should really see that you should look at what the Church actually teaches.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

I support the old inquisition. there is logic for supporting it then, and not supporting it now. the inquisition would do nothing but harm if it existed today.
The inquistion (back in the day) protected people's souls against heresy (the equivalent of spiritual murder). so Since everyone was catholic the need was much greater to protect all these souls from being spiritually murdered. Since many people are not catholic, the need is not so great today.

[ruso]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1055574' date='Sep 2 2006, 07:25 AM']
um... Ruso... I think it was well understood that the 70% from the poll support the 'old' Inquisition. Also, for all those who were saying that I'm an idiot, radical wierdo &c. I think you should really see that you should look at what the Church actually teaches.
[/quote]
Exact, you knows what you teach it church today in I gave,
J. P. II I do not teach anything?.

[ruso]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='1055580' date='Sep 2 2006, 07:37 AM']
I support the old inquisition. there is logic for supporting it then, and not supporting it now. the inquisition would do nothing but harm if it existed today.
The inquistion (back in the day) protected people's souls against heresy (the equivalent of spiritual murder). so Since everyone was catholic the need was much greater to protect all these souls from being spiritually murdered. Since many people are not catholic, the need is not so great today.
[/quote]
You support the old wars among Christians?

[Budge]

[quote]The inquistion (back in the day) protected people's souls against heresy (the equivalent of spiritual murder). so Since everyone was catholic the need was much greater to protect all these souls from being spiritually murdered. Since many people are not catholic, the need is not so great today.[/quote]

Did you read the scripture I posted?

Apostles ask Jesus if they all can call down fire on those who refuse the gospel.

Jesus rebukes them saying ye dont know what spirit you are of {Satan's}

and you defend this?

The inquisition murdered people who believed differently, thats it.

[kdewolf2]

I support the Inquisition, but only if I can torture people I disagree with.... :

It's not that I'm by nature a cruel and heartless individual, but sometimes people just get stupid notions into their heads, and like President Bush once said, "A show of force can really help to clarify things, you know."

Seriously, though, I do support the stated aims of the Inquisition, namely, to eradicate heresy and propagate the true faith, but this should be done by genuinely biblical methods, such as preaching, evangelization, debate, and personal witness.

As our country is slowly learning in places like Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, people will say almost anything to alleviate the pain when they're being tortured.

Imagine, if you're a perfectly orthodox and devout Catholic, yet you're accused of heresy by somebody who probably has less than honorable motives. So, you're imprisoned, separated from your wife and kids, and strung up on the rack for hours at a time until you're screaming in agony. You might maintain your innocence for a while, but eventually you will probably break down and confess your guilt.

Let's say you were guilty, and you believed in the doctrines of the Manichees, for instance. If you were tortured long enough, why wouldn't you just admit that you were wrong, recant, and be done with it? But, would that kind of violence make you genuinely repent of your errors, or it would it harden your already negative attitudes and perceptions of the Catholic Church as a worldly and corrupt power that was manifestly not the true church of Jesus Christ?

The practice of torture, then, is likely to produce false confessions, which in turn will likely produce fear, suspicion, and hypocrisy in the masses, rather than genuine conversions or love of God.

So, I'd conclude, the Inquisition's aims were noble and high-minded enough, but the methods resorted to were not adequate to produce the intended results. The real tragedy is perhaps that methods used by the Inquisitors had the effect of casting the whole project of eradicating heresy and propagating the true faith into a negative light.

[Budge]

[quote]
Imagine, if you're a perfectly orthodox and devout Catholic, yet you're accused of heresy by somebody who probably has less than honorable motives. So, you're imprisoned, separated from your wife and kids, and strung up on the rack for hours at a time until you're screaming in agony. You might maintain your innocence for a while, but eventually you will probably break down and confess your guilt.[/quote]

how many actual CATHOLICS died at the hands of the Inquisition? It is known that if you were wealthy, and even if a devout CATHOLIC, you were in danger from being accused of being a "heretic" so your lands and money could be seized.

as Ive said before on here, Rome is willing to sacrifice even YOU....for their power and goals.

[Budge]

Do the 76% here support This?

[url="http://www.spurgeon.org/s_and_t/inq.htm"]SPURGEON ON THE INQUISITION[/url]

[AlterDominicus]

I honestly dont give a care about the Inquisition, I am willing to take on anything to defend the truth and spread it, like Saint Theresa of Avila said, "I am my own inquisitor."

Honestly, "You can cheat us your brothers and sisters, but you cannot cheat yourself or God."

If they think the truth is burning books made by people such as priests who know the truth and were educated in the truth and Word of God - they lost their mind.

Gah, sorry...a little out of my mind as well.

[Budge]

[quote]I honestly dont give a care about the Inquisition,[/quote]

"I dont care" isnt much of an answer.

Seems rather callous and cold.

People are DYING now because there are folks following the spirit of the inquisitions...{Christians in China}

Do you care about them?

Every time church and state marries, it is a BAD IDEA.

[Justified Saint]

[quote name='kdewolf2' post='1056092' date='Sep 3 2006, 12:59 PM']

The practice of torture, then, is likely to produce false confessions, which in turn will likely produce fear, suspicion, and hypocrisy in the masses, rather than genuine conversions or love of God.

[/quote]

However, confessions given under torture were only valid if they were later confirmed. Thus there were false confessions and they were often revealed as such. Furthermore, the use of torture tended to be rather rare in comparison to what is commonly portrayed, so I don't think torture necessarily had the kind of effect on society that you think it did. In Spain, for example, the Inquisition was pretty popular and for most of its history its victims were those who would be considered on the fringe of society ("crypto" Jews, Muslims, widows, shepherds etc).

[Budge]

[quote]. In Spain, for example, the Inquisition was pretty popular and for most of its history its victims were those who would be considered on the fringe of society ("crypto" Jews, Muslims, widows, shepherds etc).[/quote]

Of course it was "popular", you had better say you like it else youd be put in the dungeons with the rest of those "fringe dwellers". Sheesh.

You know the true coldness in Catholic shines through on Inquisition threads, when you have people who should know better, defending this wickedness.