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[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076518' date='Sep 27 2006, 11:26 AM']
[url="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/116/56.0.html"]LINK[/url]
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So the pope calls for greater evangelization in the midst of Catholics falling away to other religions and you use that as evidence that the Church is universalist?

The two are diametrically opposed.

[Budge]

Evangalization to join the Catholic Church, is not preaching of the gospel.

[homeschoolmom]

In your opinion.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076527' date='Sep 27 2006, 11:42 AM']
Evangalization to join the Catholic Church, is not preaching of the gospel.
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Regardless of your false views on things, it's still not relevant to your claim that the Church is universalist. In fact, it still opposes such a claim.

[homeschoolmom]

Please stop referring to our church as the Catholic Church. Catholic Church or CC will be fine, thanks. (You leave out a great portion of the Church by singling out the Roman Rite)

[Budge]

Catholics themselves use Catholic Church.

I see that all the time.

I avoid terms like Romanist and Papist.

So please stop the nitpicking and try to remain on subject.

I think having 10 posts given to me on fonts yesterday was uncalled for especially since I didnt use many large fonts yesterday.

I know this is an escape hatch for you folks, to avoid dealing with the subjects of these threads, but it is boring and tiresome.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076552' date='Sep 27 2006, 11:59 AM']
Catholics themselves use Catholic Church.

I see that all the time.

I avoid terms like Romanist and Papist.

So please stop the nitpicking and try to remain on subject.

I think having 10 posts given to me on fonts yesterday was uncalled for especially since I didnt use many large fonts yesterday.

I know this is an escape hatch for you folks, to avoid dealing with the subjects of these threads, but it is boring and tiresome.
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Catholics who don't realize that we're much more than Roman use Catholic Church. We're telling you that we're not the Catholic Church, so respect it.

This isn't nitpicking. You've been asked many times to stop using Catholic Church and you still use it, despite being edited and (presumably) warned.

This is anything but an escape hatch. We just want you to follow the rules.

Why would we need an escape hatch? You're not even making sense.

[Mary-Kathryn]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076552' date='Sep 27 2006, 11:59 AM']
Catholics themselves use Catholic Church.

I see that all the time.

I avoid terms like Romanist and Papist.

So please stop the nitpicking and try to remain on subject.

I think having 10 posts given to me on fonts yesterday was uncalled for especially since I didnt use many large fonts yesterday.

I know this is an escape hatch for you folks, to avoid dealing with the subjects of these threads, but it is boring and tiresome.
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It is not personal insults hurled at you Budge, just an attempt to get you to see that The Catholic Church is more than just one particular Rite. The posts on fonts are probably out of kindness for folks like me who have bad eyes. I can't read anything but plain text.

God Bless Budge....you've inspired me to get those bi-focals real soon :

Edited September 27, 2006 by Mary-Kathryn

[Budge]

Lets go back on topic....

{I wish people would stop hijacking my threads over quibbles, I have reduced my fonts, I think some will go ahead and find something NEW to complain about}


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The Unitarian faith is rooted in acceptance of other religions and beliefs.

By SUMAYYA AHMAD Staff Writer

Unitarian Universalism, a non-denominational faith that incorporates traditions from many backgrounds and faiths including Judaism, Islam and Hinduism, has a diverse following of faculty and students from all religions and backgrounds at USC.

Unitarian Universalism focuses on gratitude for blessings, which is the renewal of hope and service on behalf of justice. Its roots date back to 16th century Christian humanism and include 17th century reformers, such as the Pilgrims and Puritans.

"It's basically people coming together who can be of different faiths and different beliefs," said Nitin Joshi, a junior majoring in electrical engineering and founder and president of the Unitarian Universalists of the University of Southern California.

"We're coming together to answer questions, such as why we're here, how we create meaning in our lives, and how do we create justice in our society," he said.

Joshi, who was raised in a Hindu family, said that he was attracted to Unitarianism because of its acceptance of other faiths and search for spiritual answers. He said he became interested in the religion as a senior in high school, when a friend took him to a meeting.

"The whole concept of there being no one way has given me encouragement to learn about other religions," he said.

Joshi said that another Unitarian organization had been on campus last year, but he felt that it lacked organization and structure. He took over the leadership and holds meetings every Monday.

"Adopting one religion is close-minded. That is reverting to a state of blocking out other opinions that exist. It offers guidance on day-to-day life because you're learning from so many different sources," he said.

Heidi Hardt, a junior majoring in print journalism and international relations, grew up in a Unitarian family and said that the faith has taught her to be open-minded and not to judge others.

"For me, the most important thing about Unitarianism in my life is that it focused on acceptance and tolerance of all people," Hardt said.

Unitarian sermons are similar to those of traditional non-denominational Christian churches and sanctuaries, but these sermons are more like a guiding principle to assist people to find their own path, she said. The principles of Unitarianism serve as a guide for people to set up their own beliefs.

Unitarians celebrate religious holidays of different faiths and backgrounds, including Judaism, Islam and Christianity, Hardt said.

Many people attend Unitarian congregations, including atheists, agnostics, and gays, in addition to people of traditional faiths, such as Christianity and Judaism.

"It's an all-encompassing thing. I liked Unitarianism because my beliefs, no matter what they were, were going to be tolerated," Hardt said.
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Jeanne Chuman, a junior majoring in physics and philosophy, is Roman Catholic and Unitarian. She said that a person can be Catholic and Unitarian at the same time because of Unitarianism's approach to spirituality.[/b][/u]

(I have realized that aspects of Catholicism exsist in the UU church definitely)
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"I believe God is universal. It's always been to me that God is beyond all understanding. If you're trying to reach for a higher truth, you can't always reach that if you say that yours is the only way," Chuman said.



Chuman, who was raised Catholic said that she had friends of various faiths and has always been interested in religion. In college, she said she wanted to approach religion more critically and talk to people of different faiths.[/b][/u]

Dr. David Marsh, associate dean of the Rossier School of Education, is also Unitarian.

"I wanted a religion for me that cared about justice and equity, that cared a lot about fairness and talked about God as a powerful spirit, not so much as a person," Marsh said.

Marsh, who was raised in a Protestant tradition, became interested in Unitarianism as an adult. He said that he liked the sense of community and of people being together, rather than being isolated.

"Unitarianism comes down to your own questions and seeking out spiritual life," he said. "We create our own spiritual depths; we don't inherit from a creed or a book."[/quote]

[img]http://www.papal-concert-of-reconciliation.com/a_images/1head-li.jpg[/img]

[Groo the Wanderer]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1076539' date='Sep 27 2006, 10:49 AM']
Please stop referring to our church as the Catholic Church. Catholic Church or CC will be fine, thanks. (You leave out a great portion of the Church by singling out the Roman Rite)
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I agree Budge. If you HAVE to abbreviate, the correct abbreviation would be HCC for Holy Catholic Church...

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ah what the heck..if i get in trouble I get in trouble..

Im glad the Pope spoke out against fundi denominations. [mod]Negative criticism of other religions.[/mod] Of Course the Holy Father would want the priests to act against fundi propaganda. Im glad he did.

Edited September 28, 2006 by Lil Red

[Budge]

[img]http://www.wsuu.org/images/smchalcolr2.gif[/img]

UUs light chalice before every service.

I guess I wasnt surpised by this...

Flaming chalices handed out at the Assisi interfaith pow-wow of 2002

[img]http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/img/20020124_n14.jpg[/img]

[NewReformation]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1076596' date='Sep 27 2006, 11:40 AM']
ah what the heck..if i get in trouble I get in trouble..

Im glad the Pope spoke out against fundi denominations. They are like raging wolves. The propaganda scare tactic approaches and purposely targeting the uninformed with lie filled fliers and donut sundays is on the level with early nazi propaganda and not a christian message. You are not preaching the message by taking sheep from other churches. Yet the fundi movement is catagorically developed to take naive/uneducated laity from other churches. When is the last time a fundi came up with a legit original argument? When is the last time a fundi based professor or writer contributed anything to the spectrum of christianity as whole? There are nice people who come out of the fundi movment, but overall the movement is a virus. Contaminating anyone who spends enough time to be influenced. It does not seek truth, but spreads hate as a justification for its own existence. Of Course the Holy Father would want the priests to act against fundi propaganda. Im glad he did.
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Yeah, right. Vas auch immer.

[Budge]

[quote]Im glad the Pope spoke out against fundi denominations. They are like raging wolves. The propaganda scare tactic approaches and purposely targeting the uninformed with lie filled fliers and donut sundays is on the level with early nazi propaganda and not a christian message. You are not preaching the message by taking sheep from other churches. Yet the fundi movement is catagorically developed to take naive/uneducated laity from other churches. When is the last time a fundi came up with a legit original argument? When is the last time a fundi based professor or writer contributed anything to the spectrum of christianity as whole? There are nice people who come out of the fundi movment,[b] but overall the movement is a virus.[/b] Contaminating anyone who spends enough time to be influenced. It does not seek truth, but spreads hate as a justification for its own existence. Of Course the Holy Father would want the priests to act against fundi propaganda. Im glad he did.[/quote]

The world is dividing into two camps.

Those who follow Christ, and those who have joined with the one world religion, via Catholicism, Apostate PRot--which by the way I notice your WCC Symbol, the WCC is the leader of apostate Protestantism, and other false religions and systems.

Guess which side I see you on?

Of course you see me as a virus...{All the New Agers and Theosophists like Alice Bailey used to preach that Christians and Jews in her case, were a virus on the planet, I find your choice of words intriguing}

[b]Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.[/b]

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076607' date='Sep 27 2006, 12:49 PM']The world is dividing into two camps.

Those who follow Christ, and those who have joined with the one world religion, via Catholicism, Apostate PRot--which by the way I notice your WCC Symbol, the WCC is the leader of apostate Protestantism, and other false religions and systems.

Guess which side I see you on?[/quote]The side that follows Christ, I hope.

Anyway, this is really the most ignorant characterization of the world that I have seen. Are you saying that all non-Christians (e.g. atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Unitarians, Mormons, Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists, Hindus, neo-pagans, Animists) have all secretly joined a one-world religion?

Since you don't believe that Christians are united by a visible Church, I guess it only makes sense that the one-world-religion conspiracy should be a religion that is invisible to everyone except those who read Jack Chick.

Seriously, Budge, you're stuck in a conspiracy rut. God isn't building you up by making you follow one conspiracy after another. It's a trick of the devil that wears a person down and ends up in hopelessness. God didn't say, "Seek ye the conspiracy." He said, "Seek ye the kingdom of God." ([url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke12.htm#v31"]Luke 12:31[/url])

To be honest, there was a time when I felt that I always needed to find the next conspiracy. I later realized that a relationship with Our Lord means that I focus more on loving Him, and less on finding the next false prophet.

Sadly, your own conspiracy theory against the Catholic Church has become such a priority in your life, that you even break the Lord's Commandments in your hunt (e.g. bearing false witness against Catholics).

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076607' date='Sep 27 2006, 12:49 PM']
The world is dividing into two camps.

Those who follow Christ, and those who have joined with the one world religion, via Catholicism, Apostate PRot--which by the way I notice your WCC Symbol, the WCC is the leader of apostate Protestantism, and other false religions and systems.

Guess which side I see you on?

Of course you see me as a virus...{All the New Agers and Theosophists like Alice Bailey used to preach that Christians and Jews in her case, were a virus on the planet, I find your choice of words intriguing}

[b]Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.[/b]
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We don't hate you, Budge. We love you. We want you to come and embrace Christ as fully as He wills you to, by becoming one with Him.

[Budge]

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Anyway, this is really the most ignorant characterization of the world that I have seen. Are you saying that all non-Christians (e.g. atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Unitarians, Mormons, Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists, Hindus, neo-pagans, Animists) have all secretly joined a one-world religion?[/quote]

There are two religions in the world in essence Christianity and MYSTERY BABYLON, false religions of the world. Most of the adherents have no idea of what they are really in so no there is no secret joining the one world religion. While I was UU, I simply did not know which applies to the majority.
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Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.[/b]

Call it love or concern, I do not want to see anyone duped by the antichrist and right now Im warning the one or two who may listen....

I give the same exact message to any other false religions, they need Jesus Christ to be saved, they need to come out of their false religion and put their TRUST totally in Him.

[N/A Gone]

off topic.


what symbol? The augustine trinity, my wives eye, my car, our engagement pic or the cool ut unum sint picture i found on google? (*if it is associated with a movment, I do not know. Just googled it..)

Notice in John 17 when christ prays for us to remain as one? Or in Phil when St. Paul puts unity and submission ahead of doctrinal differences? Your love for autonomy and hate for unity is unbiblical.

yes, fundis are a virus. You pilage christians from numerous denomiations and teach them to hate what they are not. A protestant denominations thats targets other christian denominations is an oxymoron. If you believe in the sola's then why can you tell someone else that your understanding(**by "you" i mean your pastor-tradtion-eccesiology) is better than someone elses? Is not the nature of sola scripture that I can read it without your help?

virus might have been inaccurate. Perhaps cancer is better. Cancer is a perversion of a functional part of the body that continues to pervert and spreads to other organs and kills the body. Cancer functions by a miscommuncation of the DNA, thus maybe a wrong message? hmm..fundis are a cancer to the Christian body..I like it

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076736' date='Sep 27 2006, 03:38 PM']
There are two religions in the world in essence Christianity and MYSTERY BABYLON, false religions of the world. Most of the adherents have no idea of what they are really in so no there is no secret joining the one world religion. While I was UU, I simply did not know which applies to the majority.
[b]
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.[/b]

Call it love or concern, I do not want to see anyone duped by the antichrist and right now Im warning the one or two who may listen....

I give the same exact message to any other false religions, they need Jesus Christ to be saved, they need to come out of their false religion and put their TRUST totally in Him.
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Budge, the falsehoods you learned in unitarianism are still affecting you. Do you have any idea how silly it sounds when you state things like that...imagine, all non-Christians belonging to a single religion without knowing it. I'm sorry that you've been lied to so much. Your position is clearly a reactionary one meant to oppose the unitarianism you've left behind. Veritas in via media. There is truth in the middle path. Avoid extremes.

[NewReformation]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1076744' date='Sep 27 2006, 02:51 PM']
off topic.
what symbol? The augustine trinity, my wives eye, my car, our engagement pic or the cool ut unum sint picture i found on google? (*if it is associated with a movment, I do not know. Just googled it..)

Notice in John 17 when christ prays for us to remain as one? Or in Phil when St. Paul puts unity and submission ahead of doctrinal differences? Your love for autonomy and hate for unity is unbiblical.

yes, fundis are a virus. You pilage christians from numerous denomiations and teach them to hate what they are not. A protestant denominations thats targets other christian denominations is an oxymoron. If you believe in the sola's then why can you tell someone else that your understanding(**by "you" i mean your pastor-tradtion-eccesiology) is better than someone elses? Is not the nature of sola scripture that I can read it without your help?

virus might have been inaccurate. Perhaps cancer is better. Cancer is a perversion of a functional part of the body that continues to pervert and spreads to other organs and kills the body. Cancer functions by a miscommuncation of the DNA, thus maybe a wrong message? hmm..fundis are a cancer to the Christian body..I like it
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A:[b]what symbol? The augustine trinity...?[/b]
Actually, that's a Triquetra. A symbol used originally by the ancient Celts and Norse. Still associated with witchcraft.
B:[b] As to the rest of your post, ie "fundies." [/b]

Edited September 27, 2006 by NewReformation