Winchester Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 Been asking for this quote from Budge. I'm sure that there is one. I'd like an honest exchange without insults on this.
Budge Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 (edited) Look if you dont believe in the Bible, I cant help you. That is a faith issue, your rejection of Gods Word. Edited September 28, 2006 by Budge
Winchester Posted September 28, 2006 Author Posted September 28, 2006 In other words, you can't pony up.
Budge Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 The Holy Spirit is really the one that has the power to deal with your lack of faith and rejection of Gods Word. All I can do is plant seeds and expose works of darkness.
Winchester Posted September 28, 2006 Author Posted September 28, 2006 But you can't give me the quote you use from the Bible to prove you can use Only the Bible. I might disagree, but at least give it to me and debate. If you won't, then come out and say so.
Guest T-Bone Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 All we ask for is a quote from the Bible that proves that that the Bible is the sole authority. As we used to say as kids, "Put up or shut up."
Budge Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 [size=2]Pr 25:2 ¶ It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter[/size] God has hidden the truth from the unwise... john 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Anyhow none of you understand what Sola Scripture really is... you mean it to say the BIBLE is EVERYTHING, we mean it to say that the BIBLE IS SUFFICIENT. [size=2][u][b] The church is not to judge the bible, but the bible the church.[/b][/u][/size] Just another Strawman floated by Catholics.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1078276' date='Sep 28 2006, 06:53 PM'] [size=2]Pr 25:2 ¶ It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter[/size] God has hidden the truth from the unwise... john 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Anyhow none of you understand what Sola Scripture really is... you mean it to say the BIBLE is EVERYTHING, we mean it to say that the BIBLE IS SUFFICIENT. [size=2][u][b] The church is not to judge the bible, but the bible the church.[/b][/u][/size] Just another Strawman floated by Catholics. [/quote] How is the Bible sufficient? I assume that by "sufficient," you mean that you don't need Tradition. If the Bible was sufficient, there wouldn't be thousands of disagreeing "Bible Christians" wandering the countryside. Edited September 28, 2006 by Raphael
Winchester Posted September 28, 2006 Author Posted September 28, 2006 I believe the Bible is sufficient. I believe that using the Bible alone that I can prove the validity of the Catholic Church. I believe that using the Bible alone I can prove the divinity of Christ and the Ressurection. It is sufficient. But it is not alone.
Groo the Wanderer Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1078258' date='Sep 28 2006, 05:46 PM'] All we ask for is a quote from the Bible that proves that that the Bible is the sole authority. As we used to say as kids, "Put up or shut up." [/quote] She can do neither, sadly..... As you all know, the Bible says no such thing. It actually says just the opposite, in many many places. As you all know, Budge will continue to dodge the question. As you all know, she will post something later tonight or tomorrow along the lines of "why do you evil Catholics support the interbreeding of snails and chipmunks?"
Guest T-Bone Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 Let's pose a hypothetical here: There's a college professor, the only expert in a particular field, he writes a text book. He also give lectures, as professors are wont to do. He has students who listen to his lectures. Someone who has never heard the professor speak reads his book. Some years later, the professor retires. One of the professor's students decides to lecture on his own. He has notes taken from the lecture. The person who merely read the text also lectures. Out of these two, who is the more qualified authority?
Budge Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 Amazing what happens when people chuck the Bible over board for oral traditions and old wives tales.
cmotherofpirl Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1078276' date='Sep 28 2006, 06:53 PM'] [size=2]Pr 25:2 ¶ It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter[/size] God has hidden the truth from the unwise... john 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Anyhow none of you understand what Sola Scripture really is... you mean it to say the BIBLE is EVERYTHING, we mean it to say that the BIBLE IS SUFFICIENT. [size=2][u][b] The church is not to judge the bible, but the bible the church.[/b][/u][/size] Just another Strawman floated by Catholics. [/quote] But the Bible came from the Church, it doesn't stand alone and never did, except to those who insist on private interpretation and folly. For private interpretation simply means everyones opinion is equally valid. And if you beleive that, then your opinion is no more important than anyone elses. And if your opinion is no more important than mine, we recognize you have no authority to assert your version over anyone, so why are you here. Or do you think your opinion is better than the mormons, methodists, calvinists, or anglicans?
Budge Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 [quote] Some years later, the professor retires. One of the professor's students decides to lecture on his own. He has notes taken from the lecture. The person who merely read the text also lectures. Out of these two, who is the more qualified authority?[/quote] Like I havent heard this one before. Ok Mr. Game of Telephone, tell me one ORAL TRADITION, now taught by Rome, that is Not in the Bible, that is necessary for a Christian.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1078288' date='Sep 28 2006, 07:01 PM'] Amazing what happens when people chuck the Bible over board for oral traditions and old wives tales. [/quote] Strawman fallacy. No one ever threw the Bible overboard.
cmotherofpirl Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1078288' date='Sep 28 2006, 07:01 PM'] Amazing what happens when people chuck the Bible over board for oral traditions and old wives tales. [/quote] rotfl THE BIBLE WAS PUT TOGETHERT BY THE CHURCH so if we put it together, why are you reading it???????
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1078291' date='Sep 28 2006, 07:02 PM'] Like I havent heard this one before. Ok Mr. Game of Telephone, tell me one ORAL TRADITION, now taught by Rome, that is Not in the Bible, that is necessary for a Christian. [/quote] I don't believe there are any. However, the Bible doesn't elaborate on everything to the fullest. The Church is needed to draw out the meaning. The Bible contains all Tradition, but in seminal form.
Budge Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 [quote]THE BIBLE WAS PUT TOGETHERT BY THE CHURCH[/quote] The contribution made by the Catholic Church. [img]http://blogs.ipswitch.com/archives/red-stapler.jpg[/img] The Canon was well known, read and accepted by Christians before Roman Catholicism made it "official".
Jesuspaidtheprice Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1078299' date='Sep 28 2006, 07:05 PM'] The contribution made by the Catholic Church. [img]http://blogs.ipswitch.com/archives/red-stapler.jpg[/img] The Canon was well known, read and accepted by Christians before Roman Catholicism made it "official". [/quote] Perhaps verifying this with historical data from confirmed sources could help 'sway' your audience. Else they really have no reason to believe you any more than you do to believe them. Edited September 28, 2006 by Jesuspaidtheprice
Guest T-Bone Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1078291' date='Sep 28 2006, 04:02 PM'] Like I havent heard this one before. Ok Mr. Game of Telephone, tell me one ORAL TRADITION, now taught by Rome, that is Not in the Bible, that is necessary for a Christian. [/quote] below is a sufficient answer: [quote name='Raphael' post='1078296' date='Sep 28 2006, 04:04 PM'] I don't believe there are any. However, the Bible doesn't elaborate on everything to the fullest. The Church is needed to draw out the meaning. The Bible contains all Tradition, but in seminal form. [/quote] BTW, I would appreciate it if you addressed me by either my proper name or my screen name. Not some obnoxious pet name you have for me.
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