Democracy Is A Tool Of Satan

[Galloglasses]

You're thinking of city state Democracy which Ancient Greece had, Tribalism is more capitalistic then that, a Cheiftan remains cheiftan till he dies sort of thing, but he always had a council of some form or another. Thats one thing all tribes had in common, contrary to the thought of evolutionary politics, which rules that all political stages will lead to the same stage in the end, tribes were different from place to place, (IE, Celtic tribes were a far cry from African Tribes. Also Politics doesn't neccesarily evole. Just look at the tribe that was discovered in the Amazon. Thousands of years of no change in one picture. People say that England is the mother of all democracies because no revolutions happened and its democratization occurred naturally, Which is a fallacy, after the English Civil war the Monarch's powers were limited, and after the first world war its powers reduced to next to nothing. (Before hand it had the final veto on legislation), no realy change happens without come kind of revolution be it abdication, war, revolution, coup de'tat, or conquest.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1079418' date='Sep 29 2006, 03:11 PM']I hate Democracy and I think it's a tool of Satan. Does anyone else here feel the same way?[/quote]


Why don't you move to China, Cuba, North Korea, Burma (Myanmar) or Saudi Arabia since you are so unhappy?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1079657' date='Sep 29 2006, 06:12 PM']I believe that Democracy is errored and evil in itself, and I have a right to hold that opinion becuase it is not against Church teaching.[/quote]

By all means, catch a plane to Iran.

[Alycin]

Why would people leave America when we have communes on our own soil?

lol.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1556009' date='Jun 3 2008, 11:20 AM']I do not ha-te democracy; I despise it.[/quote]

See my above comment. It applies to you as well.

[StColette]

Not to get off topic but Madame V how was your trip?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='zunshynn' post='1080896' date='Oct 1 2006, 02:13 PM']I don't "hate" it, but I do have serious issues with democracy... people hold it up on a pedestal when it has serious flaws. Let the majority decide! Woohoo, sounds great, until you have a majority of morons taking your country downhill, with everyone else.[/quote]

If you and the other "despisers" of democracy go in on the group rate, you could get low-fare tickets to Saudi Arabia right now.

What you and the other ungrateful posters of this thread fail to recognize is that democracy grants you the opportunity to fight against the evil and vice you are so offended by. At least in a democracy you can have a say. Communist governments and theocracies do not give their citizens that right. Do you think Saudi citizens have any say in the evil law of the land called Sharia? Do they have any say when a woman is raped and SHE gets the punishment in a court of law; or when a father murders his daughter for not wearing the veil, in the name of "family honor"; or when a man divorces his wife, takes the kids and sends the wife back to her parents because she didn't prepare his dinner meals correctly? Do you think the citizens of North Korea can speak out about having their professors thrown out of universities and send into the rice fields? Can they speak out and question their "Dear Leader" as to why they are starving to death and their growth is stunted? Can the citizens of China speak out when people are thrown into prison and tortured for handing out Bibles? And do you know what happened in Burma, what the military junta did to those Buddhist monks when they defied their government and engaged in a peaceful protest? They wound up with their blood all over the streets that's what.

Like I said, if you don't like it there are plenty of non-democracies that will welcome you with open arms...and a vice grip on your religion and all your freedoms and liberties. Good luck with that.

[reyb]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1583288' date='Jun 25 2008, 07:24 PM']Why don't you move to China, Cuba, North Korea, Burma (Myanmar) or Saudi Arabia since you are so unhappy?[/quote]


[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1583293' date='Jun 25 2008, 07:30 PM']By all means, catch a plane to Iran.[/quote]

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='StColette' post='1583302' date='Jun 25 2008, 06:43 PM']Not to get off topic but Madame V how was your trip?[/quote]

That was nice of you to ask. It was phenomenal. I didn't want to leave and I want to go back!!

[rkwright]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1583307' date='Jun 25 2008, 06:48 PM']That was nice of you to ask. It was phenomenal. I didn't want to leave and I want to go back!! [/quote]

Just wondering... was your trip outside the US?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='rkwright' post='1583756' date='Jun 26 2008, 11:04 AM']Just wondering... was your trip outside the US?[/quote]


Yes, I went to Japan and South Korea. And both have democratic governments!

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1079418' date='Sep 29 2006, 04:11 PM']I hate Democracy and I think it's a tool of Satan.[/quote]

Well, you could go to places where there is now democracy, however the Commies or the Shariaists would probably kill you.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1079418' date='Sep 29 2006, 05:11 PM']I hate Democracy and I think it's a tool of Satan. Does anyone else here feel the same way?[/quote]


Most of us enjoy the freedoms of our republic (even though it has been corrupted). If you don't like democracy you should just leave, and find a nation more suitable to your medieval religious beliefs.

only 24% of this country is Catholic, and only a fraction of that 24% would ever support a monarchy.... no point in trying to change that.

[Vincent Vega]

STM, You crazy as hail.

[Galloglasses]

How many of the new arrivals in this thread have read the whole topic?

Edited June 27, 2008 by Galloglasses

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1584312' date='Jun 26 2008, 08:15 PM']How many of the new arrivals in this thread have read the whole topic?[/quote]
I. That's how I came to my conclusion.

[Galloglasses]

Lmao, I don't think is explaining his point clearly. Democracy can easily be used as a tool of Satan, by the simple fact that it automatically involves plethora of third parties and the universal fact that most humans always wants whats easy and not whats best. Democracy, this way, can be used as a tool of Satan to derogadate society by manipulating the hearts of men. Its harder for God to use it as Democracies, very often, tend to veer towards secularisation.

[Vincent Vega]

While all of that is true, that's not what he said. He said:
"Democracy is a tool of Satan."
He also made a claim that monarchies were best because God could choose who He wanted in place. There's so much wrong with that statement, I wouldn't know where to begin. (God can do pretty much whatever he wants, regardless of who's in office; not every monarchy/monarch are theocentric; there have been, whether he believes it or not, monarchies that are evil (I guess he's never read the book of Kings?))

[Galloglasses]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1584341' date='Jun 26 2008, 08:35 PM']While all of that is true, that's not what he said. He said:
"Democracy is a tool of Satan."
He also made a claim that monarchies were best because God could choose who He wanted in place. There's so much wrong with that statement, I wouldn't know where to begin. (God can do pretty much whatever he wants, regardless of who's in office; not every monarchy/monarch are theocentric; there have been, whether he believes it or not, monarchies that are evil (I guess he's never read the book of Kings?))[/quote]

The Pope counts as a monarch, don't we believe God chooses who the Pope is?

And yes they're have been evil Monarchies. Roman Emperors are a good example. Tzar Ivan the Terrible. Queen Elizabeth, (trust me, she was hateful) He probably prefers monarchies because, by comparison, the past 2000 years that we've had monarchies, in each century, there was nowhere near equivilent evil, destruction, torture and bloodshed as there have been in the 20th Century, the most democratic of the lot. (Ultimate Irony, Hitler came to power by playing the political game in Democratic Weimar Germany) And the most secular. This is why he's come to the conclusion that democracy is a tool of Satan, because an increasingly democratic world is becoming and increasingly perverse and secular world. His logic is not all that flawed.

I myself fancy the Idea of monarchies, and i'm an Irish Republican for goodness sake! I know better then to think Democracy is the best political system ever created. I also know that no political system is perfect. But the attraction in monarchies is their strength. In any country where there is a monarch, [b]who has political power[/b], secularisation and perversion is greatly reduced.

Well lets take two cases, non-Christian Countries. Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabi is an example of a bad monarchy, which is corrupt. Yet there is next to no moral decay or social unrest, (outside of the usual Jihadist movements sweeping the Middle East, but those aren't happening because of the monarchy)
Turkey is an example of a good democracy. It is officially secular, there is quite alot of social unrest and plethora of other problems, an increasing downplay of the importance of Religion in the public Sector.

Which is worse off?

Edited June 27, 2008 by Galloglasses

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1584834' date='Jun 27 2008, 11:54 AM']Saudi Arabi is an example of a bad monarchy, which is corrupt. Yet there is next to no moral decay or social unrest, ([/quote]

NO MORAL DECAY?? They allow stoning, wife-beating, men can divorce their wives without going to court...oh, you know what. Nevermind. If you don't know what Sharia Law is all about I'm not going to waste my time explaining it. THIS IS HOW THEY LIVE and you call this "no moral decay".

Unbelievable.