Democracy Is A Tool Of Satan

[Galloglasses]

To us? Yes that moral decay. Incredibly bad moral decay.

But not to Islam.

So what would a bad Catholic Monarchy be like?


And for goodness sake. Don't be so bloody angry all the time. You lash out a pretty much everyone who either disagrees with you, or who's post you have not interpreted correctly. Why the hell are you so angry that you can be relatively complacent with a poster one minute, then lash out at them the next?

Edited June 27, 2008 by Galloglasses

[rkwright]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1583969' date='Jun 26 2008, 02:20 PM']Yes, I went to Japan and South Korea. And both have democratic governments![/quote]

heh heh I was trying to be sneaky, but you caught me!

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1584935' date='Jun 27 2008, 01:42 PM']To us? Yes that moral decay. Incredibly bad moral decay.

But not to Islam.

So what would a bad Catholic Monarchy be like?
And for goodness sake. Don't be so bloody angry all the time. You lash out a pretty much everyone who either disagrees with you, or who's post you have not interpreted correctly. Why the hell are you so angry that you can be relatively complacent with a poster one minute, then lash out at them the next?[/quote]

Because comments like "Saudi Arabia has no moral decay" just infuriates me. That's why. It's one of the most cruel and oppressive regimes in the world. I call that moral decay.

[Galloglasses]

So you lash out at me for a mistake in wording?

[Alycin]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1584926' date='Jun 27 2008, 02:35 PM']They allow stoning, wife-beating, men can divorce their wives without going to court.[/quote]

Not that I disagree with you on the fact that Saudi Arabia is a very sad and scary place, but everything you just mentioned was allowed in the old testament days, in addition to child beating, which is also allowed in SA. So it is probably not the fact that they have morally decayed, so much as they have always (mus)used their holy books and culture of the old as a way of excusing their actions. I would call it corrupt, but not necessarily morally decayed.

Just a different way of looking at it.

[Veridicus]

I don't think democracy is inherently evil and neither do I think it is instrinsically a tool of Satan. I think democracy only works when the majority of people have a decent idea of what is [i]truly good [/i]for themselves and society. Sadly, I do not hold the view that the majority of Americans know what is good for themselves or anyone else. Therefore we elect idiots who synthesize weak immoral laws and erroneously interpret the constitution to perverse ends. Democracy fails when the populace fails to vote for what is best for society.

Edited June 29, 2008 by Veridicus

[Galloglasses]

[quote name='Veridicus' post='1585967' date='Jun 28 2008, 10:24 PM']I don't think democracy is inherently evil and neither do I think it is instrinsically a tool of Satan. I think democracy only works when the majority of people have a decent idea of what is [i]truly good [/i]for themselves and society. Sadly, I do not hold the view that the majority of Americans know what is good for themselves or anyone else. Therefore we elect idiots who synthesize weak immoral laws and erroneously interpret the constitution to perverse ends. Democracy fails when the populace fails to vote for what is best for society.[/quote]
That and a person, if he or she goes by their nature, will always want life to be easier for themselves, alot of the time to the detriment of morality.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1586159' date='Jun 29 2008, 07:48 AM']That and a person, if he or she goes by their nature, will always want life to be easier for themselves, alot of the time to the detriment of morality.[/quote]

Exaclty! There is also the prevalence of mutual moral exclusion. Voting what you don't believe in because you want others to experience the 'freedom' of what your vote offers despite the negative moral implications according to your own supposed moral code. I think this is what underlies the basis for why so many Catholic politicians sway to the 'people' in their support of 'choice.' We don't vote for what we believe, we vote for what we believe the 'people' believe...which completely undermines the entire purpose of having a personal vote. It's the terrible scandal inherent to US democracy.

Edited June 29, 2008 by Veridicus

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Veridicus' post='1585967' date='Jun 28 2008, 10:24 PM']I don't think democracy is inherently evil and neither do I think it is instrinsically a tool of Satan. I think democracy only works when the majority of people have a decent idea of what is [i]truly good [/i]for themselves and society. Sadly, I do not hold the view that the majority of Americans know what is good for themselves or anyone else. Therefore we elect idiots who synthesize weak immoral laws and erroneously interpret the constitution to perverse ends. Democracy fails when the populace fails to vote for what is best for society.[/quote]

I can totally agree with this. This is what is ailing America now...before we had a clear idea what it meant to be American, what it meant to be moral, what our vision for America was...this was in our grandparents day and those days are pretty much long gone. Now what we have is Americans who lack pride in America (that's the first thing), see nothing special in being American (that's the second thing), and lack a vision for a America as a nation (that's the final thing). Instead, we have become a mess of political ideology that serves the whims of a few, and instead of a vision for America it's "a vision for myself--what I want--every man for himself". America is broken, both in terms of national identity, national pride, and a common view of morals and vision.

Sad really. What a great country this is and what a light it was for so many people for so many years.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1585091' date='Jun 27 2008, 04:46 PM']So you lash out at me for a mistake in wording?[/quote]


I don't think you would have seen it as a mistake in wording if I hadn't taken issue with it. Nevertheless, let's move on. I'm sorry I yelled at you...or rather made you feel yelled at.