How St. Teresa Led Me Away From God As A Child.

[Guest Rick777]

Well anyways, she was a GREAT saint. If anyone out there really does want to know more about her, here ya go: [url="http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/SaintofDay/"]http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/SaintofDay/[/url]

A nice article:
[url="http://catholiceducation.org/articles/catholic_stories/cs0178.htm"]http://catholiceducation.org/articles/cath...ries/cs0178.htm[/url]

Edited October 1, 2006 by Rick777

[Mercy me]

You don't get it, Budge. You just don't get it. And what is more you don't even seem to want to even try.

[Theoketos]

I was reflecting about this during lunch and then all of the sudden I was inspired by Jesus calling Peter Satan when St. Peter said to the Son of God that he should not have to suffer...

From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and [b]suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised. Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, "God forbid, Lord! No such thing shall ever happen to you." He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do." [/b]Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life?

I think that the little flower wanted to be like Jesus. That is all.

So now budge, for telling me not offer suffering with or for our Lord, I say the same.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Theoketos' post='1080865' date='Oct 1 2006, 01:41 PM']
I was reflecting about this during lunch and then all of the sudden I was inspired by Jesus calling Peter Satan when St. Peter said to the Son of God that he should not have to suffer...

From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and [b]suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised. Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, "God forbid, Lord! No such thing shall ever happen to you." He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do." [/b]Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life?

I think that the little flower wanted to be like Jesus. That is all.

So now budge, for telling me not offer suffering with or for our Lord, I say the same.
[/quote]
You can tell he's actually read the book.

:applause:

[Budge]

[quote]I think that the little flower wanted to be like Jesus. That is all. [/quote]

Actually I agree with you, [mod]Negative Criticism of Religious[/mod]

She actually was a nice girl, and it is sad to see what happened to her but then theres lot s of 'nice' people today who fall into witchcraft, the New age and other false cults.

I believe it is a TRAGEDY, what happened to her....

I am not against anyone suffering for the gospel, there is a difference between that and needless masochism, letting flies have at you fits the bill for the latter.

Edited October 2, 2006 by phatcatholic

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Budge' post='1081146' date='Oct 1 2006, 07:54 PM']
Actually I agree with you, [mod]see above[/mod]

She actually was a nice girl, and it is sad to see what happened to her but then theres lot s of 'nice' people today who fall into witchcraft, the New age and other false cults.

I believe it is a TRAGEDY, what happened to her....

I am not against anyone suffering for the gospel, there is a difference between that and needless masochism, letting flies have at you fits the bill for the latter.
[/quote]
Could you please provide EVIDENCE rather than OPINION that "a demon took over her life"? That is YOUR opinion. Any of us can MAKE UP our OWN OPINIONS as to what happens in the spiritual life of another... For EXAMPLE... I think that you were lead by a DEMON out of the CATHOLIC church into ATHEISM... THEN the demon lead you into the UU "church"... and then... a wolf in sheep's clothing (this demon) lead you into WHAT YOU THINK is the Truth... but it's just as Scripture warns of-- a wolf in sheep's clothing. You are being lead by an evil spirit... you have cut yourself off from the Church...

[Guest Rick777]

I take great offense to you calling a Doctor of the Church and one of the most beloved saints in the Church, a "nice girl" who unfortunately had a "demon" take over her life! I think you should be banned.

BTW: Her parents were also very saintly and she WAS given a Biblical foundation by her parents and especially by her Church. Geesh. The whole fly thing...just let it go...you obviously cannot fully comprehend Scripture or suffering.

Edited October 2, 2006 by Rick777

[Norseman82]

[color="#33CC00"]Budge,

I acknowledge that there are some Catholics who take suffering to nutty extremes, but the quote:

[quote]In order to live in one single act of perfect Love, I OFFER MYSELF AS A VICTIM OF HOLOCAUST TO YOUR MERCIFUL LOVE, Asking You to consume me incessantly, allowing the waves of infinite tenderness shut up within You to overflow into my soul, and that thusI may become a martyr of Your Love, O my God![/quote]

appears to be metaphorical in nature. She is asking to be consumed by Christ's love, in a poetical sort of way. [/color]

[Dave]

You should be ashamed of yourself, Budge. Slander/libel is objectively a mortal sin, and you've shown again and again, but especially in this thread, that you have a reckless DISREGARD for the truth. May God have mercy on your soul!

[Socrates]

Nice one, Budge, blame all your problems on St. Therese . . .

[quote]

[quote]I have found happiness and joy on earth, but solely in suffering, for I've suffered very much here below; you must make it known to souls . . . "Since my First Communion, since the time I asked Jesus to change all the consolations of this earth into bitterness for me, I had a perpetual desire to suffer.*[/quote]

This is just one example of one Catholic "saint" led into deceptions byt the false Christ taught in Catholcism.
[/quote]

Colossians 1:24: [quote][b]Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church[/b]:[/quote]

Mark 8:34: [quote]And calling the multitude together with his disciples, he said to them: If any man will follow me, let him [b]deny himself and take up his cross [/b] and follow me.[/quote]

Luke 9:23: [quote]And he said to all: If any man will come after me, let him [b]deny himself and take up his cross daily [/b] and follow me.[/quote]

Were these Bible verses also deceptions from a "false Christ"?
They don't seem to come from Budge's warm fuzzy Jesus, who would never have any of his followers suffer!

(And somehow I doubt Budge actually read "Biography of a Soul" as a child. )

[Azriel]

Didn't you guys also know that Bl. Mother Theresa helped all those folks in Calcutta because she was demon possesed - she didn't actually hear Jesus speak to her!

May God have mercy on us all, when we judge the life of another.

[Winchester]

Thank you for your anecdotal evidence.

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='Budge' post='1080713' date='Oct 1 2006, 10:23 AM']

She spoke often of God as bringing her suffering and how her suffering would save her. I
.
[/quote]

Maybe you should flip through the Book of Job. God allowed Job to suffer, even brought suffering upon him. Or is that a forbidden book in the Church of Budge, because it doesn't protray your impression of a nice God who brings children icecream and stuffed animals?

Edited October 2, 2006 by T-Bone

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]The problem is that Catholicism with its work based gospel teaches people to seek suffering for its own sake. This is done out of pride, and looking to oneself and one's own suffering for salvation.[/quote]

Actually, Catholics aren't taught to seek suffering for its own sake. When suffering [i]does[/i] come upon as, however - as it did when St Therese became ill - we are called to offer it in union with Jesus' death on the cross, to use it as a way of growing closer to Him. Suffering and pain do not have to be unbearable if you remember that you have such a glorious companion in Christ. St Paul himself wrote that he delighted in sufferings and difficulties for this very reason.

You seem to have some trouble with linguistic nuance. St Therese's remark about the flies can be paraphrased like this: "These inconsequential flies are the only enemies I've got. They're not worth worrying about." Even when she was in great pain, she counted herself blessed that she didn't have to face worse trials. She had attained such a level of peace and tranquillity that nothing had the power to wound her any more.

By the way, everybody, there is a film coming out about Therese's life! A friend sent me the link this morning:

www.theresemovie.com

[Guest Rick777]

[quote]By the way, everybody, there is a film coming out about Therese's life! A friend sent me the link this morning:

www.theresemovie.com
[/quote]

That movies been out for...a while now. I have the DVD.

Edited October 2, 2006 by Rick777

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1081153' date='Oct 1 2006, 09:03 PM']
Could you please provide EVIDENCE rather than OPINION that "a demon took over her life"? That is YOUR opinion. Any of us can MAKE UP our OWN OPINIONS as to what happens in the spiritual life of another... For EXAMPLE... I think that you were lead by a DEMON out of the CATHOLIC church into ATHEISM... THEN the demon lead you into the UU "church"... and then... a wolf in sheep's clothing (this demon) lead you into WHAT YOU THINK is the Truth... but it's just as Scripture warns of-- a wolf in sheep's clothing. You are being lead by an evil spirit... you have cut yourself off from the Church...


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Budge: "I see your capitalization and raise you a text size increase."

[Aloysius]

did you just call HSmom "budge"? haha... anyway, budge has been asked not to use text size increases unless she does it consistently through her whole post

[tojo]

I have read the Story of a Soul, and like many other before me, I found it extremely inspiring.

I can not even begin to discuss in a Christlike manner how thouroughly this post of yours sickens me Budge.

May the Holy Spirit lead you out of darkness and into His marvelous light.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1082190' date='Oct 2 2006, 05:18 PM']
did you just call HSmom "budge"? haha... anyway, budge has been asked not to use text size increases unless she does it consistently through her whole post
[/quote]
No, I was imitating what Budge's response might be.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1082190' date='Oct 2 2006, 04:18 PM']
did you just call HSmom "budge"? haha... anyway, budge has been asked not to use text size increases unless she does it consistently through her whole post
[/quote]