Emile James Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 [quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1157407' date='Jan 6 2007, 08:51 AM'] Which Carmelites are these? Where from, I love the postulents outfits ( not that they really matter much, it's getting vain over sack cloth, I guess : ) and that cross is ginormous! [/quote] haha 'ginormous' cute... its from Sacred Heart Carmelite Monastery, (non-federated) Colorado Springs They assist at Tridentine Liturgy, and 1962? books-Office i believe, and follow older Carmelite Constitutions..(1904 Constitutions approved by Pius X?), not accepting more recent constitutional reforms, like like the other 2 old Constitution carms (each one in Spain and France) But, they are having a bit of 'problems' at the moment, because [u]there chaplains.[/u].practically next door, while not SSPX, are not in favour either with the local Bishop., not allowing local faithful to Communicate at the next door Community parish...yet the Carmelites themselves are still waiting for the 2005 request for official status from Rome. Peace, and hope in Christ Jesus! Emile-James. pic unrel. [img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/70/164055936_3f05b06280.jpg[/img]
she_who_is_not Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 So, the nuns are ok? I know there has been lack of clarity regarding this community in the past.
Emile James Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) sheesh,,if i was a women,,hmmm..you all certainly have lotsa options dwon there! Are you looking for the one true Love of your life? Applicants to our Carmel are single women 21-35 years of age. For more information, you can contact us at: Carmelite Monastery 27601 Highway 1 Carmel, CA 93923 (Monterey Bay) (831) 624-3043 [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/ourbeg3.jpg[/img] Stella Maris Carmelite Monastery, Haifa Israel (CARMEL our beginnings) ------------ California [img]http://www.monterey-carmel.com/Monastery18.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/v55.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/homepa1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/newbuilding.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/salve.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/commun1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/work.h4.gif[/img] Edited January 6, 2007 by Emile James
HisChild Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 I visited this community last January. ..it really is a beautiful monastery. The chapel was FREEZING since it was right there on the ocean! It was a little. . .different of a visit for me since the community was ill at the time, and I didn't even meet the superior the entire time I was there. . . I was left on my own a lot of the time and when they moved their prayer time into the recreation room instead of the chapel. . .no one told me I commented on how beautiful the ocean was and that perhaps they'd attract many vocation inquiries because of the location alone (not to say someone would enter because of that mind you. . .but inquiries alone). The novice mistress said. .'well the ocean might bring you here, but it sure won't keep you here' Would I consider them again? Sure. If that's what He wills. Back then, I suppose it wasn't what He willed. God bless. (BTW Emile, that top picture is actually the Carmel in Haifa Israel, not in CA. It's only on their website to show their history. ) In Him, D.
Emile James Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 [quote name='HisChild' post='1157655' date='Jan 6 2007, 02:58 PM'] I visited this community last January. ..it really is a beautiful monastery. The chapel was FREEZING since it was right there on the ocean! It was a little. . .different of a visit for me since the community was ill at the time, and I didn't even meet the superior the entire time I was there. . . I was left on my own a lot of the time and when they moved their prayer time into the recreation room instead of the chapel. . .no one told me I commented on how beautiful the ocean was and that perhaps they'd attract many vocation inquiries because of the location alone (not to say someone would enter because of that mind you. . .but inquiries alone). The novice mistress said. .'well the ocean might bring you here, but it sure won't keep you here' Would I consider them again? Sure. If that's what He wills. Back then, I suppose it wasn't what He willed. God bless. (BTW Emile, that top picture is actually the Carmel in Haifa Israel, not in CA. It's only on their website to show their history. ) In Him, D. [/quote] wonderful, austerity, sacrifice of your will,even if the ocean is next door..sounds very French actually, where every church, chapel ,monastery is freeezing in winter, sometimes painfully so. I have never been able to speak with Abbots/Superiors, unless i have been there for more then an observing little retreat,only a second time or after talking first to a novice master/vocations director...trying to keep a fiddler through to superiors... actually i have found the more contemplative or 'alone' in dwelling, a community is, the less communicative with guests.and each other.about 'tasks' 'order'...in my former Order, as a Novice i sometimes discovered what was going on by being nosey, sometimes was forgotten about completely left uninformed of changes, so i missed things all together!!, leaving you to discover humility.and make mistakes,but .i guess doesn't help if everyone is sick..!, . yes now i see that would be Haifa. ill edit it out..
TeresaAvila Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 Hello heavenlycalling, I dont' know if anyone has mentioned yet, but the Carmelite Nuns of St. Louis Missouri are a wonderful carmel, and they have adoration of the blessed sacrament from the morning following mass until the evening at benediction and each sister takes a turn adoring our lord throughout the day. They wear the traditional habit, and keep to the traditions of holy Mother St. Teresa, and they are such a lovely group too! You can visit their page and obtain contact information here: [url="http://www.stormpages.com/mtcarmel/"]http://www.stormpages.com/mtcarmel/[/url] God Bless You! [quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1090075' date='Oct 12 2006, 06:26 PM'] God has led me many places in this crazy thing called discernment, and now I feel he is calling me to the cloister. Being me, I want to make sure I visit a well-rounded selection of communities. I know of quiet a few cloistered Dominicans and Poor Claires I hope to visit soon ( i.e. when I get a job and thus the money to fly all over the US : : ) but I have very little information about Carmalite orders in the US. If anone knows some, I would very much like to know so I can check them out . Mostly, I would like very traditional orders, with the grill and full habit,and if at all possible, a website or e-mail adress I could work with. Thanks very much -HeavelyCalling [/quote]
HisChild Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 : I like the edit! LOL I was GOING to write back NOT to edit it out because it's such a beautiful monastery. . .but then I sure did LIKE what you did with it! by the by, were you a Carmelite friar. . .you mention your Order. . .and I'm Grazie!
HeavenlyCalling Posted January 6, 2007 Author Posted January 6, 2007 [quote name='TeresaAvila' post='1157668' date='Jan 6 2007, 06:15 PM'] Hello heavenlycalling, I dont' know if anyone has mentioned yet, but the Carmelite Nuns of St. Louis Missouri are a wonderful carmel, and they have adoration of the blessed sacrament from the morning following mass until the evening at benediction and each sister takes a turn adoring our lord throughout the day. They wear the traditional habit, and keep to the traditions of holy Mother St. Teresa, and they are such a lovely group too! You can visit their page and obtain contact information here: [url="http://www.stormpages.com/mtcarmel/"]http://www.stormpages.com/mtcarmel/[/url] God Bless You! [/quote] They do look like a wonderful community, but I think someone mentioned that they already had 20 members, which means that they will most likely be full by the time I am ready to enter, maybe I am confusing them with someone else though... Emile James, I was wondering, is the order you posted ( the one with the St. Theresa quote) in communion with Rome?
TeresaAvila Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) oh ok, when I did my livein they only had 9 at the time, and only had one postulant and but was a little over a year ago, so perhaps they have gotten more postulants wich is wonderful! God Bless You! [quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1157718' date='Jan 6 2007, 06:52 PM'] They do look like a wonderful community, but I think someone mentioned that they already had 20 members, which means that they will most likely be full by the time I am ready to enter, maybe I am confusing them with someone else though... Emile James, I was wondering, is the order you posted ( the one with the St. Theresa quote) in communion with Rome? [/quote] Edited January 7, 2007 by TeresaAvila
brendan1104 Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 You know, Emile, I would really like to know where you got your information about the Carmel in Colorado Springs. I was a seminarian with their chaplains' community. I am VERY familiar with the history of their foundation, and current status. They hold the same theological position as their directors. Sadly theirs is not a totally regular position. But they are definitely true Discalced Carmelite Nuns.
Chiquitunga Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1157718' date='Jan 6 2007, 06:52 PM'] They do look like a wonderful community, but I think someone mentioned that they already had 20 members, which means that they will most likely be full by the time I am ready to enter, maybe I am confusing them with someone else though... [/quote] Actually, that was the Carmelites in Iron Mountain, Michigan, which is an awesome community, very very similar to Buffalo, though they don't have the full Office in Latin .. [url="http://religiouslife.com/vocsearch/search.phtml?view=d&my_id=165&criteria=d"]http://religiouslife.com/vocsearch/search....&criteria=d[/url] The St. Louis Carmel was the first Carmel I visited back in 2002. I really liked the sisters and the beautiful old monastery. However, I learned a few months after visiting them about the different Constitutions of the OCDs, and decided to stick with the ones that follow the 1990's, as I was posting about before. The St. Louis Carmel follows the 1991's. One thing about them is that they do read a lot of writings of Carol Houselander. I am not sure if she is a liberal writer or not. When I was there the Reverend Mother lent me a cassette to listen to of the book, [i]Reed of God[/i], about Our Lady. The part I heard I remember was incredibly beautiful and very spiritual. I didn't hear anything that sounded off. But since then, I've heard that her writings are considered more liberal, and not part of the general list of good orthodox books to read. Does anyone else know more on this? But I did really like the sisters who spoke to me at the grill there. Their grill has one grill, while the 1990 Carmels will all have a double set of grills - a minor detail, but it's something some of the 1990s told me, that was not changed after VII. The nuns at the St. Louis Carmel do wear the full habit, and have a beautiful old monastery though. They aren't as traditional as a community like Buffalo though. I do like them however, and their daily adoration .. But again, I've decided to stick with the 1990s if I consider entering a Carmel again, if it's the Lord's will .. Edited January 7, 2007 by Margaret Clare
HisChild Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 Margaret Clare. ..I'm wondering what it is about the 1990s communities, other than the fact that they have changed little, if at all from V II, that has made you decide to consider them alone. . .just curious, since I too have a Carmelite heart, and like to hear other's journeys. God bless, D.
Chiquitunga Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) 1. Because they're directly under the Holy Father instead of the Carmelite Friars, of which some became more liberal after VII. It was the friars who desired the Carmels to form federations and have meetings outside the enclosure. But St. Teresa wanted to her nuns to have strict enclosure. Some of the 1991 Carmels aren't part of federations like this, and not that all of those in the federations aren't good Carmels either, or unorthodox in any way. Many of them are associated with the IRL. But I would rather be in a Carmel that is very strict on the enclosure, only going out for things like medical necessities. It just feels a lot more secure being directly under the Holy See than under the Friars, as often with liberalism comes loss of respect and appreciation for the cloistered contemplative vocation. 2. From reading the history about how the nuns strove hard to see that the old Constitutions were approved, including St. Maravillas - and how the Buffalo Carmelites had been fervently praying for this up until 1990. 3. I believe the Reverend Mother has more power in directing the community than the 1991 Carmels, who give more of the decisions to the chapter vote. So if a 1991 Carmel had a few sisters with ideas to change this or that, it could happen. But with the Mother more in charge in the 1990 Carmels, and with their older Constitutions, change really isn't going to happen. For instance, I do remember the Novice Mistress at a 1991 Carmel saying they were most probably going to not be using the discipline anymore on Fridays. She said this after I mentioned seeing an Opus Dei priest. I think Opus Dei is generally a very good and orthodox organization for the laity and its priests are usually always great. They do emphasize mortification, but not to great extremes, but in little things. But some people really don't like Opus Dei's focus on mortification - but that's the Christian life! That's what Our Lady asks for in Lourdes & Fatima. These are the few reasons I can think of now .. But actually another reason, though less important, that I decided to stick with only the 1990s, was because there are just so many Carmels in the US to choose from! I realized that many 1991s may be great, but at the same time, you can't only discern by the full habit. Having this list of the 1990 Carmels was a great way for me to narrow down all the options! Edited January 7, 2007 by Margaret Clare
HisChild Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 The 1990s communities still use the discipline? LOL I remember meeting a girl who was discerning religious life, who was absolutely mortified that the PCC (or maybe OSC) community she visited, still used the discipline. To me. . .penance of one kind or another is part and parcel of religious life. This is only one example. Phooey, just living with different types of personalities can also be a penance! Ok I'm rambling. . .making a swift exit here!
Chiquitunga Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Mary-Kathryn' post='1157116' date='Jan 5 2007, 09:26 PM'] What I found is that I had to start with biographies about St Teresa of Avila. Then I had to learn about Carmel, about the saints etc...Bit by bit I read Teresa's works. The Way of Perfection, her autobiography [I am reading again now] etc... Her writings weren't something I could read easily in one sitting. There's so much in every paragraph and the woman meanders all over the place too ) [/quote] Yep, that's how I've been. And I haven't found her writings in any way a quick read myself. I'm focused on reading her works as a discernment at this point though, because I did enter a Carmel in 2003 after reading only a few chapters of her works. My dad had read all of her works of course, and wished I had too before entering. But I was quite anxious to enter right away. Anyway, now my dad has told me I need to read all of her works .. :j[quote]I personally prefer Father Kavanaugh's books because I've been told that his translations are very faithful. I have the collected works of Teresa of Avila volumes one and two that he did with Father Otilio Rodriguez. It kind of makes it easier for me to have all of her writings in a couple of books. If you ever get the chance watch the movie about her life that comes out on EWTN around Oct 15th of every year. It's absolutely beautiful.[/quote] Yeah, we have Fr. Kavanaugh's complete set here too. Yes, the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=58176&st=20"]Teresa de Jesus series on EWTN[/url] is awesome! [quote]Let me know about the Allison Peers biography. I'd like to hear what you think of her translation and if the read itself came easier to you. Goodness knows, I'm slow enough as it is![/quote] Yeah, I'll post something on this. Actually in this thread, I posted the same thing about visiting the Des Plaines Carmel and getting this Peers recommendations, and got a few great replies: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=62471&st=20"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...62471&st=20[/url] [quote name='HisChild' post='1157826' date='Jan 6 2007, 10:57 PM'] The 1990s communities still use the discipline? LOL I remember meeting a girl who was discerning religious life, who was absolutely mortified that the PCC (or maybe OSC) community she visited, still used the discipline. To me. . .penance of one kind or another is part and parcel of religious life. This is only one example. Phooey, just living with different types of personalities can also be a penance! Ok I'm rambling. . .making a swift exit here! [/quote] Edited January 7, 2007 by Margaret Clare
HisChild Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 I have all three volumes of Kavanaugh's works. I'll get through all of them .. .soon
Chiquitunga Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Emile James' post='1157641' date='Jan 6 2007, 04:49 PM'] sheesh,,if i was a women,,hmmm..you all certainly have lotsa options dwon there! Are you looking for the one true Love of your life? Applicants to our Carmel are single women 21-35 years of age. For more information, you can contact us at: Carmelite Monastery 27601 Highway 1 Carmel, CA 93923 (Monterey Bay) (831) 624-3043 [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/ourbeg3.jpg[/img] Stella Maris Carmelite Monastery, Haifa Israel (CARMEL our beginnings) ------------ California [img]http://www.monterey-carmel.com/Monastery18.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/v55.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/homepa1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/newbuilding.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/salve.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/commun1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/work.h4.gif[/img] [/quote] Wow, this Carmel looks great! Seems like many of the Carmelite Monasteries in California were built in the old Spanish style .. Edited January 7, 2007 by Margaret Clare
Emile James Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='HisChild' post='1157676' date='Jan 6 2007, 03:25 PM'] : I like the edit! LOL I was GOING to write back NOT to edit it out because it's such a beautiful monastery. . .but then I sure did LIKE what you did with it! by the by, were you a Carmelite friar. . .you mention your Order. . .and I'm Grazie! [/quote] hello, Grace, and to you Peace.. no i was in another large Order based in France, but not Carmelite, though ,(especially novitiate),we had a very Carmelite horarium/religious lifestyle-prayer life ( except the rising for 2 am matins), , and St. Little Therese as one of our patrons....and a Dominican type formation/Apostolate.. our Mystical Theology studies for 2 years was based on St. John of The Cross, and the Book of Revelation. E-J. Edited January 7, 2007 by Emile James
Birgitta Noel Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 [quote name='Emile James' post='1157922' date='Jan 7 2007, 01:03 AM'] hello, Grace, and to you Peace.. no i was in another large Order based in France, but not Carmelite, though ,(especially novitiate),we had a very Carmelite horarium/religious lifestyle-prayer life ( except the rising for 2 am matins), , and St. Little Therese as one of our patrons....and a Dominican type formation/Apostolate.. our Mystical Theology studies for 2 years was based on St. John of The Cross, and the Book of Revelation. E-J. [/quote] Not the Community of St. John?
Emile James Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1157718' date='Jan 6 2007, 04:52 PM'] They do look like a wonderful community, but I think someone mentioned that they already had 20 members, which means that they will most likely be full by the time I am ready to enter, maybe I am confusing them with someone else though... Emile James, I was wondering, is the order you posted ( the one with the St. Theresa quote) in communion with Rome? [/quote] well, thats in discussion, they would say they are....one would have to write them, then the bishop, to get the latest story....their Chaplains as of last year, are not considered to be in Communion with the 'Conciliar Church', kinda SSPX, but they would beg to differ... [url="http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/"]http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/[/url] [img]http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/pics/cellread.jpg[/img] Edited January 7, 2007 by Emile James
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