Budge Posted November 8, 2006 Author Posted November 8, 2006 (edited) I think the fact the pitchers were gold is very relevant... I bet one of us could melt down one of those pitchers and live for several months off the proceeds, itd probably feed a poor African family for acouple of years.... Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.[/b] Edited November 8, 2006 by Budge
RC_ Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1115355' date='Nov 8 2006, 05:26 PM'] I think the fact the pitchers were gold is very relevant... I bet one of us could melt down one of those pitchers and live two years off the proceeds, itd probably feed a poor African family for ten years... [b] Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.[/b] [/quote] Budge- Do you have "nice things" in your house? Anything unessesary? Does your dinner service have a pattern? Do you have plain white curtains, or something fancy? Edited November 8, 2006 by RC_
homeschoolmom Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1115355' date='Nov 8 2006, 04:26 PM'] I think the fact the pitchers were gold is very relevant... I bet one of us could melt down one of those pitchers and live for several months off the proceeds, itd probably feed a poor African family for acouple of years.... Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.[/b] [/quote] Mark 14:3-9 3While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head. 4Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, "Why this waste of perfume? 5It could have been sold for more than a year's wages[a] and the money given to the poor." And they rebuked her harshly. 6"Leave her alone," said Jesus. "Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. 8She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. 9I tell you the truth, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her."
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1115355' date='Nov 8 2006, 05:26 PM'] I think the fact the pitchers were gold is very relevant... I bet one of us could melt down one of those pitchers and live for several months off the proceeds, itd probably feed a poor African family for acouple of years.... Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.[/b] [/quote] Now when Jesus was in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, a woman came up to him with an alabaster jar of costly perfumed oil, and poured it on his head while he was reclining at table. When the disciples saw this, they were indignant and said, "Why this waste? It could have been sold for much, and the money given to the poor." Since Jesus knew this, he said to them, "Why do you make trouble for the woman? She has done a good thing for me. The poor you will always have with you; but you will not always have me. In pouring this perfumed oil upon my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. Amen, I say to you, wherever this gospel is proclaimed in the whole world, what she has done will be spoken of, in memory of her." Then one of the Twelve, who was called Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, "What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?" They paid him thirty pieces of silver, and from that time on he looked for an opportunity to hand him over. [right]-Matthew 26:6-16[/right] The Church has fed and clothed more than you have. St. Charles Borromeo, a cardinal and a relative of the pope, gave his bed to the poor and slept on the floor.
thessalonian Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 John 12 5: "Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?" 6: This he said, not that he cared for the poor
Budge Posted November 8, 2006 Author Posted November 8, 2006 I of course know that scripture, Jesus is right, it is ok to enjoy beautiful things in this life from time to time... However the Pope doesnt need to be playing humble...with a solid gold pitcher... How many gold items are there in the Vatican? Probably beyond us being able to count. I live a very frugal lifestyle, no gold bars, pitchers, basins, for me... and thats fine, if I had a gold pitcher, thered be a few friends Id be helping out right now.
homeschoolmom Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 So there you go, Mark, Matthew and John.
RC_ Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 That being covered (kindasorta), answer my previous question: Why do you defend the Reformation?
homeschoolmom Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1115367' date='Nov 8 2006, 04:36 PM'] I of course know that scripture, Jesus is right, it is ok to enjoy beautiful things in this life from time to time... However the Pope doesnt need to be playing humble...with a solid gold pitcher... How many gold items are there in the Vatican? Probably beyond us being able to count. I live a very frugal lifestyle, no gold bars, pitchers, basins, for me... and thats fine, if I had a gold pitcher, thered be a few friends Id be helping out right now. [/quote] The Vatican houses the great works of art of the western world. They can be enjoyed by anyone. If they go into private collection, they can't.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 The wealth of the Church only makes sense if you view the Church as the beloved and adorned bride of Christ. Your ecclesiology is what needs work, Budge.
Mateo el Feo Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 [quote name='thessalonian' post='1115366' date='Nov 8 2006, 05:34 PM'] John 12 5: "Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?" 6: This he said, not that he cared for the poor [/quote]Of all the apostles that Budge could imitate, it's ironic that she's chosen to follow the path of Judas Iscariot.
Winchester Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1115338' date='Nov 8 2006, 04:08 PM'] I dont want to hear your excuses Winchester, your defenses, your quibbles and your rationalizations for the defense of evil. The whole thing was wrong. Anyone who defends the Inquisition has absolutely no love in them. [/quote] Never defended evil, but I did point out good judicial procedures in some of the courts. But of course, dismissing a case right away if the accused listed among his enemies who had reason to bear false witness was bad. Yes, that was wrong. I'd like you to quote me excusing an evil of the Inquisitions, along with the link. In my memory, I've excused nothing and have not intended to. Of the times that I've asked for this quote, you've not been able to deliver.
123 Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 I guess eloquence in the earthly house of Christ is a foreign thing to Budge.
Seven77 Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 Budge, would you tell God He wasn't worthy of the best and of gold? I think wise men disagree.
thessalonian Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1115367' date='Nov 8 2006, 04:36 PM'] I of course know that scripture, Jesus is right, it is ok to enjoy beautiful things in this life from time to time... However the Pope doesnt need to be playing humble...with a solid gold pitcher... How many gold items are there in the Vatican? Probably beyond us being able to count. I live a very frugal lifestyle, no gold bars, pitchers, basins, for me... and thats fine, if I had a gold pitcher, thered be a few friends Id be helping out right now. [/quote] Judas was living a frugal lifestyle as well when he spoke the words of John 12. It doesn't matter how much concern you might have for the poor. The arguements you are making are made for the purpose of dissing the Church rather than creating a flood of money for the poor. That's a fact and that is the context of the words in John 12 as well. They do not well up out of a concern for the poor.
Katholikos Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1115338' date='Nov 8 2006, 05:08 PM'] I dont want to hear your excuses Winchester, your defenses, your quibbles and your rationalizations for the defense of evil. The whole thing was wrong. Anyone who defends the Inquisition has absolutely no love in them. [/quote]Neither Winchester nor I nor any Catholic I've ever known, and that's a bunch, "defends the Inquisition" in the sense that we hold it up as the ideal. However, for the last 400 years Protestants have told outrageous lies about the Inquisition, and the lies continue to this very day. Justice demands that we defend our Church against the lies. The Church is the Bride of Christ. His very Body, and we are compelled to defend her against these lies. The lies do not acknowledge the carnage of Protestants against Catholics. There's no comparison between the number of lives lost through the evil of abortion, promoted by many Protestants, and the Inquisition. Protestant churches that do not approve abortion but permit chemical contraception, and that's every one of them including the Orthodox, are complicit in abortion because "the Pill" is an abortifacient. I don't want to hear your defenses, your quibbles, and your rationalizations for the evils of abortion, responsible for killing 25,000 babies a week in the U.S. through surgical abortion alone. ================================== Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!
Balthazor Posted November 9, 2006 Posted November 9, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1115367' date='Nov 8 2006, 04:36 PM'] I of course know that scripture, Jesus is right, it is ok to enjoy beautiful things in this life from time to time... However the Pope doesnt need to be playing humble...with a solid gold pitcher... How many gold items are there in the Vatican? Probably beyond us being able to count. I live a very frugal lifestyle, no gold bars, pitchers, basins, for me... and thats fine, if I had a gold pitcher, thered be a few friends Id be helping out right now. [/quote] The gold items in the vatican are not the property of any one person but the property of the Church, which we are part of. The fact that they are still there should be testiment to the frugality of the Church...they could have been sold off long ago for cold hard cash and used for all kind of sinful delights. Instead they were preserved for the generations of people tp enjoy and maybe be inspired by or learn from. The Vatican attracts more than just Catholics you know, who view and study the treasures. Besides, a lot of what the church has it either earned or accumulated through gifts of faithful that wanted to give. I have made several expensive vestments for my Church to be kept as property of the Church and not the priest (though I have also gifted several to preist friend of mine). I put hours and hours of labor into these pieces, sewing them with love and paying for the materials out my pocket. WHY? Because for me making something that will be used in Mass is a prayer for me and act of devotion. The design, the work, the effort, the gift, is my gift it is what I could do and did do. I enjoyed making it and I enjoyed giving it. The nice things in Catholic churches should not be seen as meerly wealth but as a physical manifestation of spiritual devotion.
Katholikos Posted November 9, 2006 Posted November 9, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1115271' date='Nov 8 2006, 04:14 PM'] I meet Catholics all the time who IRL instead of glorifying church institution over God, do try to follow what God wants first even if they are still blocked from Gods Word. [/quote] You, Budge, have accused the Catholic Church of "blocking its members from God's Word." Please answer these questions: (1) What is God's Word and how do you know? (2) How does the Church "block us" from the Word? (3) Do you get a "burning in the bosom" like the Mormons claim they do that proves to them that the Book of Mormon is God's Word? (4) Exactly how do you know what His Word is (related to Q 1)? I've yet to see you answer the questions asked of you by the Catholics on this forum, and I suppose these will also also go unanswered. It's hard to imagine that an ex-Catholic could know so little and misunderstand so much. Lord, have mercy. ================================== Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!
Budge Posted November 10, 2006 Author Posted November 10, 2006 The Catholic church didnt write the Bible. When one studies the BIble, the Bible inteprets instead, you have to read it as a whole instead of snipping a verse here and there. Every false religion takes or adds to Gods Word. Mormonism and Catholicism have a lot of parallels by the way. Catholics add their traditions. Mormons add their Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of a Great Price... Mormons are required to follow a top Prophet {leader} who is considered infallible as well. The Mormons salvation is dependent on a church system instead of Christ. Mormons must go through rituals {sacraments} to attain salvation. Mormons also have a priesthood, and do not teach a priesthood of all believers. Mormons have expensive temples dripping with gold and riches in their Celestial Rooms... Catholicism has the same with its Cathedrals. Both have adopted aspects of paganism. Both are members of mystery Babylon.
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