Catholic Clergy With A Glimpse Of Truth

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1116745' date='Nov 10 2006, 11:00 AM']
The Catholic church didnt write the Bible.

When one studies the BIble, the Bible inteprets instead, you have to read it as a whole instead of snipping a verse here and there.[/quote]

1. Yes, it clearly did. To deny that is to deny history.

2. We do read it as a whole. How about reading a Catholic book on the unity of Scripture? I think you'd find it fascinating.

[quote]Every false religion takes or adds to Gods Word.
Mormonism and Catholicism have a lot of parallels by the way.[/quote]

You've just condemned your own religion.

[quote]Catholics add their traditions.

Mormons add their Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of a Great Price...[/quote]

We've had the Tradition debate time and time again. First, you're saying that traditions are infallible. They aren't. Tradition is. Please get it right.

[quote]Mormons are required to follow a top Prophet {leader} who is considered infallible as well.[/quote]

The Mormon prophet changes His mind. Never once has the pope changed his mind on doctrine. Never.

[quote]The Mormons salvation is dependent on a church system instead of Christ.[/quote]

And the Catholic view of salvation is dependent on Christ acting in and through His Mystical Body, the Church. "The Church is Christ and Christ is the Church. I see no reason to confuse the matter." -St. Joan of Arc

[quote]Mormons must go through rituals {sacraments} to attain salvation.[/quote]

Rituals are different from sacraments, although they are related.

[quote]Mormons also have a priesthood, and do not teach a priesthood of all believers.[/quote]

Interesting. We do both.

[quote]Mormons have expensive temples dripping with gold and riches in their Celestial Rooms...

Catholicism has the same with its Cathedrals.[/quote]

Your point being? Unless of course you mean that someone needs to mop up the dripping gold.

[quote]Both have adopted aspects of paganism.

Both are members of mystery Babylon.[/quote]

Wrong. We have no aspects of paganism. We have Christianized some aspects of cultures which had been belonged to by pagans...but then, so have you.

Wrong again. The "mystery Babylon" is your own little theory and certainly not Scriptural.

[RC_]

Budge-

Why do you continue to defend the reformation?

[Farsight one]

[quote name='Budge' post='1116745' date='Nov 10 2006, 10:00 AM']
The Catholic church didnt write the Bible.[/quote]Uh...yeah, it did. Divinely inspired by God of course.

[quote]When one studies the BIble, the Bible inteprets instead, you have to read it as a whole instead of snipping a verse here and there. [/quote]I would just say that you should read this sentence again and apply it to yourself. Time and time again I see you spit out bible verses whose meaning alone implies what your trying to say. However, you take it out of context. Take the verses in context and they mean something else entirely.

[quote]Every false religion takes or adds to Gods Word.[/quote]How many books did your faith remove from the already established bible?
[quote]Mormonism and Catholicism have a lot of parallels by the way.[/quote]So? Ballroom dancing and sex have a fair amount of parallels. Is ballroom dancing guilty by association?

[quote]The Mormons salvation is dependent on a church system instead of Christ.[/quote] Not something we have in common with mormons at all. It is dependent on Christ for us. The church is a "tool" for lack of a better word to help us get to Christ.

[quote]Mormons have expensive temples dripping with gold and riches in their Celestial Rooms...[/quote]Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to be mormon to get into a mormon temple? From what I understand talking to a couple of mormons, what the inside of a temple actually looks like is very closely guarded, so how would you know?

[quote]Both have adopted aspects of paganism.[/quote]We have not adopted aspects of paganism. We have inserted the faith into aspects of paganism to aid in conversion. Once again, just a parallel anyways. So what?

[Winchester]

BUDGE

[quote]Never defended evil, but I did point out good judicial procedures in some of the courts. But of course, dismissing a case right away if the accused listed among his enemies who had reason to bear false witness was bad. Yes, that was wrong.

I'd like you to quote me excusing an evil of the Inquisitions, along with the link. In my memory, I've excused nothing and have not intended to. Of the times that I've asked for this quote, you've not been able to deliver.
[/quote]

Still waiting for you to address your accusation.

Surprise, surprise.

[Winchester]

I know I'm not as interesting as soft core porn stars, but c'mon, Budgie, get my quote so I can restate. Please, since my actual words have led you astray, let me offer correction to them. Surely you recall actual words and will not have to mine all the threads. I'm certain that you did not in your haste to level an insult or out of a firm fear of being drawn into actual debate that you posted something to distract us! Surely a tactuic such as that would be beneath your grand intelligence and swift mind!

[Budge]

Yeah that's why you did [b]dozens of [/b] posts, because you considered me "too harsh" on the Inquisition.

Sure you didnt defend it...

and you can sell me bridge in Brooklyn next...

I'm not buying your excuses and rabbit trails to avoid responsiblity.

[RC_]

Budge-

You made an accusation. Back it up.

[Budge]

His posts prove it.

If he wasnt defending the Inquisition, there would have been NO DEBATE.

Just a rabbit trail of deceit.

[RC_]

Find these mysterious posts. Put them together for all to see!

[Budge]

Duh...there was something like 4-5 threads...where I debated the Inquisition over the last few weeks with ITS DEFENDERS.

[RC_]

Prove you accusation. That's all I ask.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Budge' post='1117016' date='Nov 10 2006, 05:27 PM']
Yeah that's why you did [b]dozens of [/b] posts, because you considered me "too harsh" on the Inquisition.

Sure you didnt defend it...

and you can sell me bridge in Brooklyn next...

I'm not buying your excuses and rabbit trails to avoid responsiblity.
[/quote]

Translation, you ain't got the quotes.

The reasons I responded to you were:

1. I've had many encounters with the insane, and find talking with them entertaining.

2. You made outlandish claims that I wanted righted.

3. I thought that maybe I could get through to you. See reason one.

[Budge]

Winnie: I never defended the Inquisition...

thats why I had 20 plus posts debating budge about it!

Sheesh, give me a break.

[Winchester]

Then show one.

[Budge]

You know how to read, pick one of the threads debating the Inquisition.

Youre just playing weasle.

Im not buying it or playing your game.

[RC_]

Show us one post by Winchester actually defending the Inquistion. That's all we ask? Or is that to hard for you?

[Budge]

As I said, you know how to read.

[RC_]

Just show me one single post.

You can't do it, can you.


If you make an accusation, back it up. Do not expect others to do your research for you.

All even make it interesting-If you can show me a post where Winchester defended the Inquistion in its entirety, I will donate $500 to the charity of your choice.

Edited November 10, 2006 by RC_

[Winchester]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1115384' date='Nov 8 2006, 04:47 PM']
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I'd like you to quote me excusing an evil of the Inquisitions, along with the link. In my memory, I've excused nothing and have not intended to. Of the times that I've asked for this quote, you've not been able to deliver.
[/quote]

This is the actual request. Get a high school English teacher to explain it to you. I defended parts of the Inquisition, but I'm asking you to provide a qupte of me excusing the evil of the Inquisitions, by which I mean the evil parts or "evils" which would have been a better way to put it.

[Budge]

Why bother?

You would just deny right whats in front of your face.

He would play some weasle game, thats not a defense of the Inquisuiton...