Katholikos Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 Anybody have any Protestant Traditions to add or subtract? Any comments? ------------------------------------------------------ Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone) Private, personal interpretation of Scripture Sola Fide (Faith Alone) Grape juice instead of wine for communion Crackers or Wonder bread for communion Altar calls The "Sinner's Prayer" Baptism isn't regenerative or necessary Immersion only Once Saved, Always Saved Bowing head to pray ----------------------------------------- Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!
mulls Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 i don't even know what to say to you anymore.
123 Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) [quote]i don't even know what to say to you anymore[/quote] Don't jump the gun my friend. He isn't nessessarily puting them in Bad light. I had many Protestant traditions I was proud of, before I knew what they really were about. [u]My previous Protestant traditions[/u] -Reformation Celebration (Party every October) [u]others[/u] -Believers Baptism -The Rapture (Pre, Mid, Post tribulations) -Re-baptising [those whom don't fit the specfic denominations pick of the liter] -Big Tent Revival Edited November 30, 2006 by GloriaIesusChristi
desertwoman Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 Judgement Night Pot Luck Wenesday Bible Studies Coffe House
mulls Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 he's an instigator. trying to dialogue with him is like talking to a brick wall. he never acknowledges any points by the opposition. he uses the same 3-4 arguments on ever thread. and so on.
Mary-Kathryn Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) [b]Revivals[/b] [b]Vacation Bible School [/b] [b]Sunday evening Services[/b] [b]Walking down the aisle[/b]-upon accepting Christ one would have to "walk down the aisle" publically at the next service and have the pastor introduce you as a member of the church. [b]Sunday afternoon church picnics[/b] *My memories from when I was growing up in the deep south.....years before I converted* Edited November 30, 2006 by Mary-Kathryn
123 Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) [quote]he's an instigator. trying to dialogue with him is like talking to a brick wall. he never acknowledges any points by the opposition. he uses the same 3-4 arguments on ever thread. and so on. [/quote] I wouldn't say an instigator. However, being described as a brickwall in accordance to dialogue could be seen partialy as a good thing. Believe me mulls, no abject harm intended. [quote]Walking down the aisle-upon accepting Christ one would have to "walk down the aisle" publically at the next service and have the pastor introduce you as a member of the church.[/quote] quite akward... Edited November 30, 2006 by GloriaIesusChristi
N/A Gone Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 Is it really a tradition? i had more of a "free church" where they did things simply because they wanted to do those things. Not because it was a tradition in any form. Now, this is the extreme, because most eccesiologies do have intense tradtions, but that would be case-specific on the denomination.
Mary-Kathryn Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1131803' date='Nov 30 2006, 10:52 AM'] Is there a topic to be debated here? [/quote] My thought was that perhaps Katholikos was looking to generate some peaceful dialogue/debate highlighting protestant traditions. Some of the basic differences have been beaten so far into the ground I'm ready to pull out a lawn chair, fire up the grill, and flip a few burgers while watching that crater get bigger and deeper. The one thing I was confused by was categorizing "bowing head to pray" as being a Protestant tradition in post #1. It's true I am a convert, but don't cradle Catholics bow their heads--at least some of the time-- when they pray? I would find it odd to pray while staring off into space or eyeballing the back of someone's head at Mass. It just seems disrespectful too. Edited November 30, 2006 by Mary-Kathryn
123 Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) [quote]The one thing I was confused by was categorizing "bowing head to pray" as being a Protestant tradition in post #1. It's true I am a convert, but don't cradle Catholics bow their heads--at least some of the time-- when they pray? I would find it odd to pray while staring off into space or eyeballing the back of someone's head at Mass. It just seems disrespectful too.[/quote] Bowing your head is almost unforgettable. As for me my eyes are closed in mass during prayer, whether my head is bowed or not. here is some to remember: [b]Liftinging hands during prayer[/b] [b] Rolling in the ailes[/b] [b] speaking in tounges[/b] Edited November 30, 2006 by GloriaIesusChristi
homeschoolmom Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 But these are all some traditions (small t) for some protestants... None of these traditions is accepted by all Protestants (with the possible exception of head bowing).
Sojourner Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='Katholikos' post='1131535' date='Nov 29 2006, 10:03 PM'] Anybody have any Protestant Traditions to add or subtract? Any comments? [/quote] These aren't all true of every Protestant denomination. I'll elaborate below. [quote name='Katholikos' post='1131535' date='Nov 29 2006, 10:03 PM'] Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone) [/quote] Many people of Pentecostal persuasion put equal stock in personal revelation by the Holy Spirit. One friend who converted from Assemblies of God to Catholic said Sola Scriptura wasn't a stumbling block to her because of this. [quote name='Katholikos' post='1131535' date='Nov 29 2006, 10:03 PM'] Private, personal interpretation of Scripture [/quote] Many Protestant denominations temper this general principle with some level of denominational authority, or a common confession that members ascribe to. [quote name='Katholikos' post='1131535' date='Nov 29 2006, 10:03 PM'] Grape juice instead of wine for communion Crackers or Wonder bread for communion [/quote] True for some, but not all, denominations. Most do use grape juice, notable exceptions being Lutherans and Episcopalians/Anglicans. I've never seen Wonder Bread for communion, but some form of cracker, yes. [quote name='Katholikos' post='1131535' date='Nov 29 2006, 10:03 PM'] Altar calls The "Sinner's Prayer" [/quote] Again, some, but not all. Not in higher Protestant churches. [quote name='Katholikos' post='1131535' date='Nov 29 2006, 10:03 PM'] Baptism isn't regenerative or necessary Immersion only [/quote] I've never been in a Protestant church that didn't believe baptism was necessary to be a member of the church ... but most don't see it as necessary to salvation. Immersion is true of Baptist denominations, and some others, but I was sprinkled (Presbyterian) and so are many others. [quote name='Katholikos' post='1131535' date='Nov 29 2006, 10:03 PM'] Once Saved, Always Saved Bowing head to pray [/quote] Again true with most but not all.
homeschoolmom Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 How far are we going to take this? Bulletins? pianos?
DangerBoy Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1131842' date='Nov 30 2006, 11:52 AM'] But these are all some traditions (small t) for some protestants... None of these traditions is accepted by all Protestants (with the possible exception of head bowing). [/quote] I think that is part of what I don't quite understand. There is a lot of variation between different denominations, even between different churches. I've been to many Protestant churches and each one seems to have its own "traditions". What we are listing here is better described as being some of the basic principles and practices of a majority of Protestant churches, not traditions in the Catholic sense of the word. I think one of the big things is that, with I think the exception of Lutherans, they veiw communion as symbol, not as the actual body and blood of Christ. [quote]here is some to remember: Liftinging hands during prayer Rolling in the ailes speaking in tounges[/quote] I don't think that these can be considered "traditions", just for the Protestant, I know Catholics who speak in tounges during prayer, plus we lift our hands when we say the Our Father during Mass. As for rolling in the ailes, I think that's more of form a charasmatic prayer, which I have seen happen at my parish's youth group meetings. Let's be carful not to over generalize. +JMJ+ Edited November 30, 2006 by Lil Red
photosynthesis Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 turning nouns into verbs (i.e. "fellowshipping," "visioning") decent choral music. megachurch architechture manuscript bible studies once-a-month communion [url="http://www.parable.com/parable/item_0805471197.htm"]pre-filled/sealed communion cups[/url]
homeschoolmom Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='photosynthesis' post='1131934' date='Nov 30 2006, 01:08 PM'][url="http://www.parable.com/parable/item_0805471197.htm"]pre-filled/sealed communion cups[/url] [/quote] Now that's a new one. I have never heard of that!!
Katholikos Posted November 30, 2006 Author Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) I know of only two traditions that are shared by every Protestant denomination: Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide. Those were two of the "pillars" of Protestantism when it was founded by Martin Luther. There were other "solas" -- five in all -- and although the Catholic Church may not agree with the other three exactly in the same formulation that Protestants do, they are not huge obstacles like SS and SF. Even in Luther's day, denominationalism was already rampant. That apparently was a surprise to him, judging from his comments. I think he expected his interpretation of the Scriptures to be final. He could not tolerate Calvin and others who almost immediately arose on the scene with conflicting interpretations IAW the newfound doctrine of Sola Scriptura and its concomitant notion of private interpretation. Protestants don't have any Traditions (oral teachings of the Apostles that were not reduced to writing and later identified by the Church as Scripture). But although they may not generally recognize them, they have many traditions. I thought I would try to accomulate a list of them for use in apologetics. We often encounter the claim about the "traditions of men" in Catholic beliefs and practices, and these are intended to be used as an antidote. Sola Scriptura Protestants have many traditions that did not originate from the Bible. The splintering of Protestantism can be seen in the traditions that are "found" in the Bible by some denoms and not others, for example, Once Saved, Always Saved. If the Holy Spirit leads all "sincere" believers to "all truth" when they read the Bible, shouldn't they all believe the same doctrines? How can you tell which one is right? Those in a nutshell are the questions that propelled me out of Protestantism and into agnosticism and eventually atheism. Years later, I found the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which insists upon Fides et Ratio. I posted this is in the debate forum, since I thought there would likely be some debate about these "traditions." Peace to all who post at Phatmass. ----------------------------------------- Blessed Father Damien, pray for us! edited to correct a typo Edited November 30, 2006 by Katholikos
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