Pro-life Racist

[Norseman82]

[quote name='zeyeon' post='1132585' date='Nov 30 2006, 11:23 PM']
Yea but racisim IS done out of hate. here is no other POSSIBLE explanation. it's closed mindedness and ignorance at it's highest state. Granted some may try to rationalize it... but racisim is not even comparable to abortion.
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What makes abortion scarier is how much of it has been rationalized so that society just accepts it.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote](zeyeon @ Nov 30 2006, 11:23 PM) *

Yea but racisim IS done out of hate. here is no other POSSIBLE explanation. it's closed mindedness and ignorance at it's highest state. Granted some may try to rationalize it... but racisim is not even comparable to abortion.[/quote]

You've just explained abortion to the tee...

[SJP]

[quote name='zeyeon' post='1132506' date='Nov 30 2006, 10:54 PM']
I will answer your question.

Not imposing my beliefs on others means I expect others will not impose thier beliefs on me. Once someone violates that, then they made the first move and I'll respond. I'm fair, not a pushover.
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zeyeon,
Your statement in and of itself demonstrates my point. It is a contradiction.

Think about what you said, you believe that "Not imposing my beliefs on others means I expect others will not impose thier beliefs on me." That very statement is a belief. You begin from a premise that is rooted in your own belief about what is true, namely that "I won't impose my beliefs on you, so I expect that you won't impose your beliefs on me." That is a belief that you impose on everyone you come in contact with. You are ultimately guilty of breaking your own rule!

Perhaps an example will help.

John remarks to Pete: "tolerance is the greatest value of all. Above all else, we must be tolerant of other people's beliefs."

Pete responds to John: "So you must be tolerant of my beliefs?"

John replies: "yes"

Pete replies: "Great, I believe that you're wrong. Further, I believe that you belong in jail for believing what you do about tolerance!"

How can John possibly respond without contradicting himself? He can't!
If John says, " that's fine, you're free to believe that." He's violating his own beliefs.
If John says, "Now wait a second, tolerance is the greatest value and you're not being tolerant." Pete need only reply, "You're not being tolerant of my beliefs!"
Regardless of how you slice it, John's stuck.

Only belief in objective moral truth can safeguard true freedom.

Time for bed,
God Bless.

Edited December 1, 2006 by SJP

[zeyeon]

[quote name='SJP' post='1132714' date='Dec 1 2006, 01:43 AM']
zeyeon,
Your statement in and of itself demonstrates my point. It is a contradiction.

Think about what you said, you believe that "Not imposing my beliefs on others means I expect others will not impose thier beliefs on me." That very statement is a belief. You begin from a premise that is rooted in your own belief about what is true, namely that "I won't impose my beliefs on you, so I expect that you won't impose your beliefs on me." That is a belief that you impose on everyone you come in contact with. You are ultimately guilty of breaking your own rule!

Perhaps an example will help.

John remarks to Pete: "tolerance is the greatest value of all. Above all else, we must be tolerant of other people's beliefs."

Pete responds to John: "So you must be tolerant of my beliefs?"

John replies: "yes"

Pete replies: "Great, I believe that you're wrong. Further, I believe that you belong in jail for believing what you do about tolerance!"

How can John possibly respond without contradicting himself? He can't!
If John says, " that's fine, you're free to believe that." He's violating his own beliefs.
If John says, "Now wait a second, tolerance is the greatest value and you're not being tolerant." Pete need only reply, "You're not being tolerant of my beliefs!"
Regardless of how you slice it, John's stuck.

Only belief in objective moral truth can safeguard true freedom.
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lol bro you're stretching like gumby on that one. I'm not going out advertising my beliefs expecting people to subscribe and fall in line with how I think. simple as that. you asked me a question... I responded.

there are three types of people in this world.

Those who look for fights.
Those who get beat up
And those who fight back

I'm the latter. I'm not out looking for fights expecting people to mold to my line of thinking. I like to hear other perspectives... why do you think I'm even on this board?

[Matty_boy]

[quote name='zeyeon' post='1132130' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:28 PM']
The reasons a woman get's an abortion are about as numerous as the grains of sand on a beach.
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And all of them come down to convenience.

[iKonstantin]

We decline abortion and allow capital punishment. Pharisees at their finest.






bpat konstantin

[Socrates]

[quote name='iKonstantin' post='1133116' date='Dec 1 2006, 04:38 PM']
We decline abortion and allow capital punishment. Pharisees at their finest.
bpat konstantin
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Then the Catholic Church through her history has been finely "Phariseeical." Read St. Thomas Aquinas. Who are you to pass such judgment?

[Winchester]

[quote name='iKonstantin' post='1133116' date='Dec 1 2006, 03:38 PM']
We decline abortion and allow capital punishment. Pharisees at their finest.
bpat konstantin
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So you're equating this with false piety.

I am for the death penalty in certain circumstances and the Church does not forbid it. I find it rather grotesque to compare the unborn with convicted criminals.

[Resurrexi]

I would vote for the racist becuase segregation in the South post-Civil War to 1960s is like a little fly compared to the murder of millions of innocents of all races.

[Didacus]

Better to vote for a racist than a murderer.

[iKonstantin]

What?

Isn't it common knowledge Vatican 1 and 2 were backlash against Thomism, Saints are not infallibile.





-bpat Konstantin

[desertwoman]

I voted not to vote for the racist. Seeing segragation again is something worse than death. Man, what if he then wanted slavery to come again.

Just like all of the other enslaved Africans who killed their children because they knew of the tortures that will come to them will happen all over again.

[Hascal]

this is simple for me... segregation smells of elderberries and abortion should be legal. im voting for the other guy

[Winchester]

I finally voted, and I voted "no" because I would never vote [i]for[/i] a racist. I would, however, vote [i]against[/i] a worse evil.

If it got bad enough, those who had been permitted life could always rise up.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1131625' date='Nov 30 2006, 12:11 AM']
Notard, let's say, that it isn't senate, (where 1 vote doesn't change anything too much, as you correctly said,) Let's say its another office with the power to re-instate Apartied.
[/quote]

well if the choices were that bad and he stood for plunging the world in to the dark ages again, im sure he would be assasinated in a short order.

[got2luvjc]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1138586' date='Dec 9 2006, 04:08 AM']
well if the choices were that bad and he stood for plunging the world in to the dark ages again, im sure he would be assasinated in a short order.
[/quote]

hehe. I don't think the American population would vote for someone who is pro-segregation. I wouldn't. And, there is no 1 position in the American Gov't that has ALL the power. Even the president can be overrulled.

[CoffeeCatholic]

prolilfe is not just anti-abortion. Prolife includes being against racism. therefore, this candidate is not prolife

[avemaria40]

[quote name='CoffeeCatholic' post='1139361' date='Dec 10 2006, 07:30 PM']
prolilfe is not just anti-abortion. Prolife includes being against racism. therefore, this candidate is not prolife
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I agree with you. As I've said before, I wouldn't vote for either. I'd protest both campaigns.

[avemaria40]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1132546' date='Nov 30 2006, 11:48 PM']
Of course the same thing could be said of murders of already-born people.
That doesn't mean we should legalize murder, or other such crimes.
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That's true. There are women who throw their newborn babies in trash cans, sewers and toilets for a variety of reasons. That's definitely not legal, so why should murdering them before they are born be legal?

That said, I'm a woman, I know people who've had babies out of wedlock, and a number of my friends were conceived/born out of wedlock. If their mothers didn't choose to give them life, my best friends wouldn't be here I would gladly help someone who found themselves in this situation and I plan on joining Feminists for Life when I go to college this fall. Trust me, I have plenty of empathy for these women, would I want to help them if I didn't? I don't see why we can't help both the mother and her little child.

Besides, it doesn't matter if someone can't feel pain when being killed. Some people are born without Substance P, the neurotransmitter that makes you feel pain, does that make them not human? Or how about if someone gives you anesthesia before they kill you, aren't you still being killed.

[SJRod55]

[quote]What the heck is an African-American, pray tell? No such thing. If they are an American citizen, which I must assume, since they are running for office, then they are an American. Period. Regardless of race. This hyphenated carp needs to stop - all it does is serve to divide us.[/quote]

Agreed