vianney Posted July 28, 2003 Posted July 28, 2003 Ok guys maybe you can help me out on this one. I am out of high school and college aged going to college. If I drink a beer or two socially and not to get drunk privately is this morally wrong? I thought that the Catholic Church said that we should abide by our governments laws if they are reasonable...What are your thoughts on this and if it is wrong would I be in mortal sin? Any help would be much appreciated.
Aloysius Posted July 28, 2003 Posted July 28, 2003 i'm new to this phorum thing so i really just wanted to see what all the stuff i just put in my signature n stuff will work. anyway, what I always have said about drinking is to drink because you're happy never because your sad and drink but don't get drunk. The psalms say a bit of wine gladdens a man's heart. I really don't think its wrong, definitely not a mortal sin... prolly should wait till ure 21, but it's not really bad unless you get drunk n stuff. Anyway, im gonna send this reply and see what it looks like. PEACE :P
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 28, 2003 Posted July 28, 2003 hi Aloysius!! don't forget to go to the "Checking In" thread in the Open Mic section.... great sig.....and if your trying to get a image in there, they won't come out in sigs....just a note... welcome and God BLess! +JMJ
Adam Posted July 28, 2003 Posted July 28, 2003 (edited) Since we are to follow the laws of our goverment, it is immoral if you are under 21 even if you do not get drunk, since drinking underage all together is illegal. If you are over 21, and drinking but not getting drunk, then your ok and its moral still. Only drunkness and breaking the law is immoral side of drinking. and phat, check out my post count! (123) *screen shots*, i'm gona hang this on my wall and show my grand kids! :P Edited July 28, 2003 by Adam
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 28, 2003 Posted July 28, 2003 personally i wouldn't touch it, i've seen too much of the ugly side of drinking and would never touch it......but iits not a sin as long as your responsible and take care of your body and not get drunk...we have a thread on this somewhere, i'll try to find it..... or you can just tell your friends you don't drink....my bro had friends who were heavy drinkers but everytime my bro was with them, they would offer, he would turn it down tell them he doesn't drink and they'll come to know that thats how you are and respect you for that... but i don't know...i've never tasted the darn thing so dont' listen to me!! :huh:
hyperdulia again Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 i'm twenty, i drink (not to the point of drunkeness, purposefully, often, before eight pm, on sundays, during lent, if there's a full moon, and an Independent in the White House). it might be illegal, but breaking some arbitrary rule ain't immoral.
Carrie Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 Its best to wait until you are 21 but I don't think its a mortal sin if you do drink before that. Illegal, yes, mortal sin, I don't think so. I drank before I was 21 and got myself into stupid situations because I wasn't mature enough. Just make sure you are able to handle yourself maturly if you choose to drink.
dUSt Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 If it's against the law, then it's immoral. But... check your laws. A lot of the drinking laws don't apply unless it's in public, and others allow minors to drink with parental consent or supervision.
hyperdulia again Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 abortion is legal. in some places catholicism is illegal. i think alabama has laws against people under 21 drinking w/out adult supervision. haha.
Don John of Austria Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 I am with hyper on this one, until 1969 in texas it was illegal for a black and white person to marry ( all sex out of wedlock was illegal) that did not make it immoral, some guy in austin or washington does not get to say what is right or wrong only what the state will punish or not.
cmotherofpirl Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 In Pennsylvania you must be 21 to purchase alcohol. So kids go to Ohio or Canada to drink. Does that make any sense? On holidays we have wine with our meals. On Christmas Eve we have a neighborhood party after midnight Mass, and serve a full meal with red wine or wine coolers. Kids who have something to drink either walk home, stay the night or have their parents with them.
hyperdulia again Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 "On holidays we have wine with our meals." No you don't! last Christmas, when I was over, Kool-Aid was the drink of the evening. That'd be really funny if had been over last Christmas, but you didn't invite me. :o
cmotherofpirl Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 Well if you start walking now you will probably be in time for Christmas. Don't forget your toothbrush. THe dog ate my extra one again.
Winchester Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 Something does not become moral or immoral based upon legislation. It's perfectly okay to drink underage, because the laws are arbitrary. In moderation, it's okay, just like for those in the (current) legal drinking age.
ironmonk Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 http://www.lifeteen.com/DocQandA.asp?Actio...ion=View&ID=630 Then: http://www.lifeteen.com/DocQandA.asp?Actio...ion=View&ID=635 I agree with the above articles... and with Dust... check your laws. We are to submit ourselves to the authorities, unless the Church says otherwise. As far as mortal sin or venial sin... does it really matter? Only if you need to know if you should go to confession because of it. No sin is ok. Venial sins are like foxes loose in the hen house, they can lead us into bigger trouble. Everything that goes on in our lives comes down to one thing.... How much we love God. i.e. Is it worth the risk of sinning? God Bless, Love in Christ & Mary ironmonk
hyperdulia again Posted July 29, 2003 Posted July 29, 2003 *takes a sip of nightly vodka screw driver (sound sophisticated 'til you find out it's in a big plastic cup and is like 99.99999999999999999% vodka)* yes...yes...morality is determined by human law... *makes mental note to move to canada or the netherlands*
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