New Documentary Exposes Evangelical Hypocrisy/ Bush War Crimes

[BrotherRaymond]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
NEW FILM EXPOSES EVANGELICAL HYPOCRISY IN WAR SUPPORT AND OUTLINES BUSH ADMINISTRATION DECEPTIONS/WAR CRIMES


Iraq: Death of Reason has now been released to the public by Voice in the wilderness productions. This stunning new film attacks the Evangelical Church’s error in supporting the war in Iraq. Produced and directed by Raymond Schwab and Elliott Nesch of Beit Shalom Ministries, Iraq: The Death of reason addresses just war theory, Abu Ghraib torture, depleted uranium, the deceptions sold to the American public by the Bush administration, false flag operations, war profiteers and calls the Christian church to reconsider their position, since prior to invasion 79% of evangelicals supported military action.
In Feb 2007 Raymond Schwab and Elliott Nesch will walk from Denver to DC to protest publicly the Christian support. This film is being offered for any size donation to their ministry to help raise funds for the upcoming walk.

For more info go to www.beitshalomministries.org


To view the film for free online go to:

Part 1: [url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4285458293746631497&hl=en"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...31497&hl=en[/url]
Part 2: [url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8147818935080796713&hl=en"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...96713&hl=en[/url]
Conclusion: [url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3845643139747749983&hl=en"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=38...49983&hl=en[/url]

[cmotherofpirl]

spam?

[MissScripture]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1161785' date='Jan 11 2007, 04:37 PM']
spam?
[/quote]
That would be my vote.

[CatholicCid]

9 out of 10 doctors agree, spam is bad for you.

[cmotherofpirl]

maybe not spam, just someone new to debate with... moving it to the more appreopriate board.

[BrotherRaymond]

Not spam. Real Christians don't Choose war.




[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1161803' date='Jan 11 2007, 05:51 PM']
maybe not spam, just someone new to debate with... moving it to the more appreopriate board.
[/quote]

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1161804' date='Jan 11 2007, 05:52 PM']
Not spam. Real Christians don't Choose war.
[/quote]
you are entitled to your opinion

[BrotherRaymond]

Hey, even the pope denounced this war.




[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1161805' date='Jan 11 2007, 05:54 PM']
you are entitled to your opinion
[/quote]

[Didymus]

What's your point? The pope also denounces alot of whats going on in the Middle East.

I, for one, dont want another 9/11.

Edited January 11, 2007 by Didymus

[rkwright]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1161804' date='Jan 11 2007, 04:52 PM']
Not spam. Real Christians don't Choose war.
[/quote]

I've started watching a little bit of it... I have to say I laughed a little when I saw you in the video :

I was like 'hey... thats the guy who posted this'

I would have to say that the Church is agreement with you in this case. Though the Church does not forbid war; thus the Just War Doctrine.

Edited January 11, 2007 by rkwright

[curtins]

I for one believe this is a just war. We are defending ourselves from an enemy that will not stop. They are driven by a radical ideology the likes of which we cant imagine. They want nothing less than the total destruction of: frist the USA and western Europe/free society and second, Christendom.

[BrotherRaymond]

Yes, and if you don't wan t another 9/11 the first step would be to actually investigate what happened on 9/11 which did not happen. The 9/11 commission was a joke. waging war across the middle east only strengthens the Muslims. For every one we kill we make 10 more. Not to mention this war violates EVERY tenant of just war theory which we outline in the documentary.

Another way to avoid 9/11 is for America to repent from her rejection of Christ and God's law. 9/11 was a warning of God's coming wrath.

[Socrates]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1161977' date='Jan 11 2007, 09:33 PM']
Another way to avoid 9/11 is for America to repent from her rejection of Christ and God's law. 9/11 was a warning of God's coming wrath.
[/quote]
Thank you, Osama.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1161804' date='Jan 11 2007, 07:52 PM']
Not spam. Real Christians don't Choose war.
[/quote]
we can't all be martyrs.

[Didymus]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1161977' date='Jan 11 2007, 08:33 PM']Another way to avoid 9/11 is for America to repent from her rejection of Christ and God's law. 9/11 was a warning of God's coming wrath.
[/quote]

you wouldnt mind if the few of us personally defend ourselves while we wait till the rest of the country repents, would you?

[BrotherRaymond]

Sure, just don't call yourself a Christian because you are not following Christ but your own fear, self-preservation and self will.
Just in case no one told you to be Christian means, literally even in the Greek Christ like. If your not trying to be like Christ your not a Christian your just a religious person no better than the Muslims. Don't forget what happened the last time the church started crusading against the Muslims.


[quote name='Didymus' post='1162679' date='Jan 12 2007, 03:00 PM']
you wouldnt mind if the few of us personally defend ourselves while we wait till the rest of the country repents, would you?
[/quote]

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1162870' date='Jan 12 2007, 06:24 PM']
Sure, just don't call yourself a Christian because you are not following Christ but your own fear, self-preservation and self will.
Just in case no one told you to be Christian means, literally even in the Greek Christ like. If your not trying to be like Christ your not a Christian your just a religious person no better than the Muslims. Don't forget what happened the last time the church started crusading against the Muslims.
[/quote]
The Catholic Crusades were justified.
Our view on the war doesn't determine whether we are christians or not.
A Christian is a baptised member of the Body of Christ. Period.

[BrotherRaymond]

That view of Christian is based on a religious understanding. You can be baptized and say all you want about jesus. But he warned that those who work lawlessness, in the judgment he will declare I never knew you. The Apostle John said those who say they know God and do not obey His commands are liars and the truth is not in them. I am talking about being Christian supernaturally reborn apart from any attachment to your favorite religious club. To say if you are baptized into the Church you can act any way you want is contrary to scripture. Your view on the war reflects your view of Christ and His mission on the earth. Religion cannot save you, only being born of the spirit.
The crusades were a blot on the name of Christ and a most shameful chapter of the Christian church. It makes me wonder what bible you guys are reading, because you cannot justify them by the gospels.



[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1162874' date='Jan 12 2007, 06:30 PM']
The Catholic Crusades were justified.
Our view on the war doesn't determine whether we are christians or not.
A Christian is a baptised member of the Body of Christ. Period.
[/quote]

[Era Might]

BrotherRaymond,

Are you Catholic? Just so we know where you're coming from.

[Didymus]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1162870' date='Jan 12 2007, 05:24 PM']
Sure, just don't call yourself a Christian because you are not following Christ but your own fear, self-preservation and self will.
Just in case no one told you to be Christian means, literally even in the Greek Christ like. If your not trying to be like Christ your not a Christian your just a religious person no better than the Muslims. Don't forget what happened the last time the church started crusading against the Muslims.
[/quote]

Christ turned the other cheek when someone hit his own self, sure. But what happened when the sellers were disrespecting the temple? You act like to be like Christ, we have to put up our hands and always let injustice overpower us. Christ was sent to die for our sins. We know this. Not everyone is called to die for their faith and in the name of all that is good. Some are called to defend it. God gave samson the strength to overpower his enemies. I pray, God-willing, that I would be given power as well if ever He called me to defend my country/faith/loved ones.