What If Billy Graham

[FullTruth]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1175162' date='Jan 24 2007, 08:41 PM']
So what happens when we sin by rebelling against what YHWH tells us to do?

And didn't Christ say, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's"?
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Christ did say we need to obey the leaders of the land, and I do so only because Yeshua asks us to.

Obeying leadership of our countries and needing the leadership of countries are two different things though.

1st Samuel 8:5-18 perfectly describes what human leadership does, and if the original nation of Israel didn't need human leadership before they asked for a King, but got tricked by Satan to ask for one (Scripture doesn't spell that out, but after you read for yourself what these scriptures say, you will realize only one entity is so evil to make people curse themselves like that).

On when we sin by rebelling against what YHWH tells us to do, well, that would happen right now because of the people in charge, as it did for the Children of Israel.

Humanity needs freedom from the chains that hold us - and those chains are Religion and Government, but we are not ready for it yet. Especially today - when people can name 10 kinds of beers faster than the 10 commandments. . .

I'm just laying the ground work of YHWH to give that revelation of pure and utter freedom for people, laying the seeds if you will. He will come and those who have soft hearts who received this promise of YHWH for the future, who will gladly come to him and ask for his freedom from everything division that blinds us and binds us, and they will be his children, and they will rule with the Christ. That is YHWH's promise to us.

After all, we can all agree, there will come a time when the government will be on Yeshua's shoulders. What a time that will be. I can't wait to see the day he comes back and governments and religions will be dissolved, and the fullness of freedom and truth will reign in the hearts and minds of the believers across the world.

Edited January 25, 2007 by FullTruth

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1175197' date='Jan 24 2007, 09:03 PM']
[color="#3333FF"]Without someone in charge you have anarchy and division.[/color]
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cmom,

I didn't know you were of such little faith.

You are correct, we are not ready for pure and utter freedom in YHWH yet. Satan, the God of this world, has ensured that won't happen. But YHWH established the original nation of Israel without any human authority in the old testament. They asked for a King, if you remember, and recieved a curse from the Almighty almost as strong as the ones YHWH gave Adam and Eve. Read 1st Samuel 8:5-18.

Unfortunately, the nation of Israel wasn't spiritually mature enough to be responsible with the freedom YHWH gave them. It is YHWH's will that we have no human leadership, and when Yeshua comes back, that will become evident, because the government will be on the shoulders of Yeshua. All governments, countries, borders, and religions will dissolve, and everybody will say Yeshua is Lord to the glory of YHWH the father. Yeshua will be the government and the spiritual belief system of the people.

We don't need human leadership, only the leadership of YHWH.

But we live in a world that has choosen Satan's way, and countries will continue to create armies to kill and destroy people of other countries, and new taxes to steal from its citizens, and religions will continue to brainwash their people to believe if they kill the infidels, they will go to Heaven. It is a messed up world that needs Yeshua to come back as soon as possible to fix this mess.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1175479' date='Jan 25 2007, 12:38 AM']
Christ did say we need to obey the leaders of the land, and I do so only because Yeshua asks us to.

Obeying leadership of our countries and needing the leadership of countries are two different things though.

1st Samuel 8:5-18 perfectly describes what human leadership does, and if the original nation of Israel didn't need human leadership before they asked for a King, but got tricked by Satan to ask for one (Scripture doesn't spell that out, but after you read for yourself what these scriptures say, you will realize only one entity is so evil to make people curse themselves like that).

On when we sin by rebelling against what YHWH tells us to do, well, that would happen right now because of the people in charge, as it did for the Children of Israel.

Humanity needs freedom from the chains that hold us - and those chains are Religion and Government, but we are not ready for it yet. Especially today - when people can name 10 kinds of beers faster than the 10 commandments. . .

I'm just laying to ground work of YHWH to give that revelation of pure and utter freedom for people, laying the seeds if you will. He will come and those who have soft hearts who received this promise of YHWH for the future, who will gladly come to him and ask for his freedom from everything division that blinds us and binds us, and they will be his children, and they will rule with the Christ. That is YHWH's promise to us.

After all, we can all agree, there will come a time when the government will be on Yeshua's shoulders. What a time that will be. I can't wait to see the day he comes back and governments and religions will be dissolved, and the fullness of freedom and truth will reign in the hearts and minds of the believers across the world.
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WHEN HE comes, it will be the end of the world.

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1175499' date='Jan 25 2007, 12:50 AM']
cmom,

I didn't know you were of such little faith.

You are correct, we are not ready for pure and utter freedom in YHWH yet. Satan, the God of this world, has ensured that won't happen. But YHWH established the original nation of Israel without any human authority in the old testament. They asked for a King, if you remember, and recieved a curse from the Almighty almost as strong as the ones YHWH gave Adam and Eve. Read 1st Samuel 8:5-18.

Unfortunately, the nation of Israel wasn't spiritually mature enough to be responsible with the freedom YHWH gave them. It is YHWH's will that we have no human leadership, and when Yeshua comes back, that will become evident, because the government will be on the shoulders of Yeshua. All governments, countries, borders, and religions will dissolve, and everybody will say Yeshua is Lord to the glory of YHWH the father. Yeshua will be the government and the spiritual belief system of the people.

We don't need human leadership, only the leadership of YHWH.

But we live in a world that has choosen Satan's way, and countries will continue to create armies to kill and destroy people of other countries, and new taxes to steal from its citizens, and religions will continue to brainwash their people to believe if they kill the infidels, they will go to Heaven. It is a messed up world that needs Yeshua to come back as soon as possible to fix this mess.
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When HE gets it here, its all over, the world will be ending.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1175501' date='Jan 25 2007, 12:52 AM']
WHEN HE comes, it will be the end of the world.
When HE gets it here, its all over, the world will be ending.
[/quote]
Umm, read the last two chapters of the book of Revelation.

Revelation 20 -

If you didn't know that, I don't why Catholics say they believe the Bible.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


If Satan is cast into prision for a 1,000 years, and he should not decieve the nations anymore until the 1,000 years are fulfilled, that means there is a 1,000 years where Yeshua rules over the world.

Is this not what the Catholic Church teaches. 1,000 years is 1,000 years in my books.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1175520' date='Jan 25 2007, 01:04 AM']
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: [b]and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.[/b]

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: [b]and they were judged every man according to their works.[/b][/quote]Just as an side note. I guess these passages really messes up the 'Saved by Faith' people. I guess that's Satan deceiving the Nations with this Saved by Faith business. That means the World has at least 1,000 years left once there are no more religions preaching "Saved by Faith Alone".

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1175520' date='Jan 25 2007, 01:04 AM']
If Satan is cast into prision for a 1,000 years, and he should not decieve the nations anymore until the 1,000 years are fulfilled, that means there is a 1,000 years where Yeshua rules over the world.

Is this not what the Catholic Church teaches. 1,000 years is 1,000 years in my books.
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Maybe it's a poetic 1,000 years, not a literal millenium.

[SJRod55]

[quote]Bible -believing protestants and generic christians are the same way. They believe what they have been taught since they were little, just like you do.[/quote]

This is very true and we should consider this when working with and dealing with others of different faiths.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1175272' date='Jan 24 2007, 09:48 PM']
That doesn't say they're not in schism and heresy...
[/quote]It says they're in schism. But the CC doesn't label them heretics.

Jay

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Katholikos' post='1176061' date='Jan 25 2007, 03:46 PM']
It says they're in schism. But the CC doesn't label them heretics.

Jay
[/quote]

Yeah she does.

[homeschoolmom]

[Urib2007]

Billy Graham is a 33 degree Mason, which means he worships Lucifer for those of you who aren't in the "know" of what it actually means to be a 33 degree Freemason.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1178283' date='Jan 28 2007, 12:38 AM']
Billy Graham is a 33 degree Mason, which means he worships Lucifer for those of you who aren't in the "know" of what it actually means to be a 33 degree Freemason.
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Bravo. Pass the word sister.

[Urib2007]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1178284' date='Jan 27 2007, 09:39 PM']
Bravo. Pass the word sister.
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Thanks, Full Truth. I'm here to spread the message about "False" Christians. It's funny how so many people have no clue to Graham's REAL gospel. There's an interview he gave where he actually says that all religions go to heaven. Ha ha! Are you kidding me with that quote. So, I guess the verse where Jesus states that the only way into heaven is through HIM is not true? Sheesh with these politically correct fruitcake Christians.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1178288' date='Jan 28 2007, 12:47 AM']
Thanks, Full Truth. I'm here to spread the message about "False" Christians. It's funny how so many people have no clue to Graham's REAL gospel. There's an interview he gave where he actually says that all religions go to heaven. Ha ha! Are you kidding me with that quote. So, I guess the verse where Jesus states that the only way into heaven is through HIM is not true? Sheesh with these politically correct fruitcake Christians.
[/quote]And you believe that means that everybody that is not Christian is going to hell, right?

If you're going to quote Billy Graham, give the source so we can see what he REALLY said.

Jay

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Accusations about individuals being free-masons and satan worshippers will not be taken lightly. Provide some proof.

[Urib2007]

[quote name='Katholikos' post='1178588' date='Jan 28 2007, 10:52 AM']
And you believe that means that everybody that is not Christian is going to hell, right?

If you're going to quote Billy Graham, give the source so we can see what he REALLY said.

Jay
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There was actually a video clip where Billy Graham actually said that all religions will go to heaven, but I think Mother of Pirl got rid of it or someone for that matter.
I'd post the clip again, but knowing my luck, it'll get taken off in a heartbeat.

[quote name='Raphael' post='1178591' date='Jan 28 2007, 10:54 AM']
Accusations about individuals being free-masons and satan worshippers will not be taken lightly. Provide some proof.
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Here's a clip with popular well known preachers that will shock many of you, especially those who admire these leaders. Please watch it and don't erase the clip. You may have to download it onto your computer, but it's worth watching. It may appear to have finished in the middle of the clip, but just wait for a few seconds and it'll continue again.

[color="#FF0000"]THIS is a download, NOT a website, proceed at your own risk[/color]
[url="http://www.cuttingedge.org/video/wolves.wmv"]http://www.cuttingedge.org/video/wolves.wmv[/url]

Edited January 28, 2007 by cmotherofpirl

[cmotherofpirl]

We do not do downloads here, its not safe.

[Urib2007]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1178652' date='Jan 28 2007, 11:47 AM']
We do not do downloads here, its not safe.
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Well, at least watch it and give your approval. It's something they should see.

[cmotherofpirl]

NO way am I dwnloading something from an unknown site to my computer, that is way too stupid to me.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1178663' date='Jan 28 2007, 03:22 PM']
NO way am I dwnloading something from an unknown site to my computer, that is way too stupid to me.
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Ditto.

Besides, videos can be doctored.