Liturgical Lay Ministers and Sacraments/Sacramentals

[Aloysius]

This topic has been split for the purpose of debating the role of the laity in the liturgy, specifically focusing on Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion and their role in administering Blessed Ashes on ash wednesday.

[homeschoolmom]

Yep...

[bonoducchi]

The Benedictionibus permits the distribution of ashes by laity (p. 1659). The [b]blessing [/b]is the only part reserved for the ordained. Why would you feel compelled to rain on her parade when what she is doing is licit?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='brendan1104' post='1197136' date='Feb 16 2007, 04:35 PM']And you're proud to be doing what someone in orders should be doing- giving Communion and distributing ashes?[/quote]

haha good one.

[homeschoolmom]

No it's not.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1197188' date='Feb 16 2007, 05:36 PM']No it's not.[/quote]

Ya it is.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1197199' date='Feb 16 2007, 07:01 PM']Ya it is. [/quote]
You have a horrible approach to things you think are wrong. You're mean and rude and down-right ugly sometimes. Even if you were right (you're not), why would we even want to listen to you?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='brendan1104' post='1197136' date='Feb 16 2007, 06:35 PM']And you're proud to be doing what someone in orders should be doing- giving Communion and distributing ashes?[/quote]


Are you back to trying to be more holy than the Pope?
Rudeness is not a virtue.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1197204' date='Feb 16 2007, 06:20 PM']You have a horrible approach to things you think are wrong. You're mean and rude and down-right ugly sometimes. Even if you were right (you're not), why would we even want to listen to you?[/quote]

I didn't the comment myself. I merely commented on how awesome it was.

[Jaime]

you could comment on how incorrect the comment was. There is nothing that states lay people cannot distribute ashes

[Didymus]

brendan wasnt even trying to be funny

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1197208' date='Feb 16 2007, 08:24 PM']I didn't the comment myself. I merely commented on how awesome it was.[/quote]
Rudeness is not a virtue.

[Resurrexi]

[quote]brendan wasnt even trying to be funny[/quote]I know... my haha was "that was a really good comeback" haha not a "wow that is the funniest joke I've ever heard" haha.

[quote]you could comment on how incorrect the comment was. There is nothing that states lay people cannot distribute ashes[/quote]
There is nothing that states they can.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1197208' date='Feb 16 2007, 07:24 PM']I didn't the comment myself. I merely commented on how awesome it was.[/quote]
Which, to me, seemed even more inappropriate than the original comment.

[Mercy me]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1197232' date='Feb 16 2007, 08:38 PM']Rudeness is not a virtue.[/quote]


[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1197271' date='Feb 16 2007, 09:23 PM']Which, to me, seemed even more inappropriate than the original comment.[/quote]

Thank you

[Jaime]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1197240' date='Feb 16 2007, 07:46 PM']I know... my haha was "that was a really good comeback" haha not a "wow that is the funniest joke I've ever heard" haha.
There is nothing that states they can.[/quote]


You might want to get a copy of the Book of Blessings then kiddo

[quote]1659 This rite may be celebrated by a priest or deacon who may be assisted by lay ministers in the distribution of the ashes. The blessing of the ashes, however, is reserved to a priest or deacon.[/quote]


Now apologize and be a good boy

[djc08]

A bunch of friends and I are skipping first hour Spanish to go to Ash Wenesday Mass and then we're going to return to school :'(...

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1197321' date='Feb 16 2007, 08:10 PM']You might want to get a copy of the Book of Blessings then kiddo
Now apologize and be a good boy[/quote]

Why would I want a copy of a book of blessings from a Rite I don't attend? It would be like me buying a Mozarabic Rite Missal... pointelss.

I still don't think that laypeople should distribute ashes, and on Ash Wednesday I will switch lines if I must.

Edited February 17, 2007 by StThomasMore

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1197487' date='Feb 16 2007, 11:47 PM']Why would I want a copy of a book of blessings from a Rite I don't attend? It would be like me buying a Mozarabic Rite Missal... pointelss.

I still don't think that laypeople should distribute ashes, and on Ash Wednesday I will switch lines if I must.[/quote]

The Church disgrees with you.

[Moneybags]

I don't want to create an argument, but I felt compelled to write this after seeing the words "extraordinary minister":

From St. Thomas Aquinas:


"Out of reverence towards this sacrament, nothing touches it, but what is consecrated; hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest's hands, for touching this sacrament. Hence it is not lawful for anyone else to touch it except from necessity, for instance, if it were to fall upon the ground, or else in some other case of urgency" (Summa Theologica, III, Q. 82, Art. 3).


Mother Teresa's words:


When Mother Teresa was asked by Fr. George Rutler, "What do you think is the worst problem in the world today?" she replied without a moment’s hesitation: "Wherever I go in the whole world, the thing that makes me the saddest is watching people receive Communion-in-the-hand."


The truth is that only a priest should be touching the Eucharist. Also, I, as a soon-to-be seminarian, firmly believe that [b]only[/b] a priest should also give out the ashes.

Edited February 17, 2007 by St. Benedict