Gay Bishop Says No To Ultimatum

[Aloysius]

we're trying to get the whole Anglican Church to convert. Their women-priest thing basically killed that, though we don't give up; so now we just take whole parishes one by one.

I wonder how many parishes would have to convert before we get our act together, realize the whole church itself is too far gone, and set up a rival Archbishop of Canterbury? Once upon a time that would've been the course of action once we started getting whole Anglican-use parishes, we'd need to give them a patriarch at set them up as the uniate Anglican Catholic Sui Juris Church.

[homeschoolmom]

Budge... If you were able to obtain a photo of Jesus talking to a prostitute would you post it and accuse Him of trying to hook up with her?

[johnnydigit]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1264106' date='May 4 2007, 07:39 AM']Budge... If you were able to obtain a photo of Jesus talking to a prostitute would you post it and accuse Him of trying to hook up with her?[/quote]

honestly, some *people* have the most jacked up reasoning i've ever encountered.

i'm reminded of The Simpsons.. "Be like the boy.." everyone, "BE LIKE BOY! BE LIKE BOY!" now the senior citizens, "WE LIKE ROY! WE LIKE ROY!" Lisa, "Don't you guys know you're just being fed simple answers?" "AND HOW!"

[dairygirl4u2c]

***a lie closest to the truth is when the conscious screams the loudest.***
it's not your conscious telling you what's objectively right, it's you conscious telling you what's taught by the CC. it's creaming because there's merit to it.

if accepting gays is truth, then he should be willing to allow the church to split, if they insist on the split. it'd be better if they stayed dispite their differences but.
if you were teaching about baptism, and people contested its use, and so they were gonna split, would you stop teaching about baptism instead of let them leave?

if they want to split, that's their call.
he wants to stop the petty things about gays and work on the gosple. they are the problem the way i see it


so, i think a debate on the merit or lackthereof of gay accepting is warranted, without reference to just bc the CC says so. (arguments about ROmans in the bible and gays would be interesting)

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1264085' date='May 4 2007, 09:58 AM']The Anglican church is joined at the hip with your church.

Google "The Gift of Authority"

So while you all get upset {understandably so} that they preach FOR homosexuality given their ACTIVE AND OPEN homosexual bishops and priests...

Ask yoruself why your church is so steadily trying to hook up with these guys?

[img]http://i11.tinypic.com/66xo9xf.jpg[/img][/quote]The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, is not to blaim for American Episcopalians' homosexual agenda. We may be tempted to criticize him for not having enough backbone; but his position of authority as head of the Anglican Communion is not anything like the Pope in the Catholic Church. Hence the impending schism among Anglicans...

[Budge]

[quote]The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, is not to blaim for American Episcopalians' homosexual agenda. We may be tempted to criticize him for not having enough backbone; but his position of authority as head of the Anglican Communion is not anything like the Pope in the Catholic Church. Hence the impending schism among Anglicans...[/quote]

The Anglican church in England {europe} is just as liberal as here.

Its the Africans and others who want to do the split off..

[url="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/world/africa/25episcopal.html?ex=1324702800&en=2d3ee7997f4872d7&ei=5088"]LINK[/url]

Rowan Williams even participated in a Druid ceremony, he is not the picture of what you all would consider ORThODOXY...

[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/08/06/ndruid06.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/08/06/ixhome.html"]ARCHBISHOP BECOMES A DRUID[/url]

[Guest T-Bone]

Budge, why on earth are you using people who are not even Catholic to attack the Church?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1264106' date='May 4 2007, 09:39 AM']Budge... If you were able to obtain a photo of Jesus talking to a prostitute would you post it and accuse Him of trying to hook up with her?[/quote]

[Budge]

No,

Because Jesus would be preaching the truth to her, rather then joining the prostitutes coalition for peace and pimp awareness.

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1264100' date='May 4 2007, 08:20 AM']That's a misrepresentation of the situation, as I'm sure you know. The Catholic Church is not trying to "hook up" with the Anglican Church -- the point is that the Anglican Church and all schismatic churches acknowledge the grave error of separating from the Catholic Church and come home.[/quote]


[quote name='Budge' post='1264361' date='May 4 2007, 01:49 PM']No,

Because Jesus would be preaching the truth to her, rather then joining the prostitutes coalition for peace and pimp awareness.[/quote]

As I noted, this is a misrepresentation of the situation. There's no question of the Catholic Church "joining the prostitutes coalition for peace and pimp awareness." Does that mean that its leaders shouldn't talk to anyone? What's wonderful to see, in fact, is the Catholic Church standing firm on this issue in spite of the expectations of secular culture, as opposed to "growing" or "evolving" as with the Episcopalian Church in the US, or the Anglican Church in the UK.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1264340' date='May 4 2007, 03:33 PM']The Anglican church in England {europe} is just as liberal as here.

Its the Africans and others who want to do the split off..

[url="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/world/africa/25episcopal.html?ex=1324702800&en=2d3ee7997f4872d7&ei=5088"]LINK[/url]

Rowan Williams even participated in a Druid ceremony, he is not the picture of what you all would consider ORThODOXY...

[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/08/06/ndruid06.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/08/06/ixhome.html"]ARCHBISHOP BECOMES A DRUID[/url][/quote]These are not germane to the question of the Archbishop's relationship to the issue of homosexuality in the American Episcopal Church.

As a side note, I find it interesting that Archbishop Williams acknowledges the connection between acceptance of contraception and the acceptance of homosexuality:[quote]In a church that accepts the legitimacy of contraception, the absolute condemnation of same-sex relations of intimacy must rely either on an abstract fundamentalist deployment of a number of very ambiguous biblical texts, or on a problematic and nonscriptural theory about natural complementarity, applied narrowly and crudely to physical differentiation without regard to psychological structures.[/quote]

[Budge]

ah you need to reread that, hes not saying what you THINK he is saying..
[quote]the absolute condemnation of same-sex relations of intimacy must rely either on an abstract fundamentalist deployment of a number of very ambiguous biblical texts,[/quote]

This guy doesnt support fundamentalists.

Basically hes saying those crazy fundies, are interpreting the bible wrong to diss the gays with some doubt to be thrown on Gods word too...ambigous biblical texts.

So Gods Word is ambiguous?

LIBERAL TO THE CORE!

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='Budge' post='1264380' date='May 4 2007, 01:05 PM']ah you need to reread that, hes not saying what you THINK he is saying..[/quote]

More infallible interpretation by Budge...

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1264380' date='May 4 2007, 04:05 PM']ah you need to reread that, hes not saying what you THINK he is saying..
This guy doesnt support fundamentalists.

Basically hes saying those crazy fundies, are interpreting the bible wrong to diss the gays with some doubt to be thrown on Gods word too...ambigous biblical texts.

So Gods Word is ambiguous?

LIBERAL TO THE CORE![/quote]If someone does not support fundamentalism, it does not follow that this person is "liberal to the core."

As far as the Holy Scripture being ambiguous, let's ask Phillip and the Ethiopian eunuch: [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/acts/acts8.htm#v30"]http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/acts/acts8.htm#v30[/url].

[Captain_Fantastic]

I hope you all realize that you are coming across as extremely judgmental to this agnostic. What business of yours if other denominations allow gay marriage or not? Answer: none.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Captain_Fantastic' post='1264442' date='May 4 2007, 04:58 PM']I hope you all realize that you are coming across as extremely judgmental to this agnostic. What business of yours if other denominations allow gay marriage or not? Answer: none.[/quote]One could just as easily say, what business does an agnostic have in judging how Christians relate to one another? Answer: none.

It is not judgmental to argue that Christianity and homosexual behavior are incompatible. It is fact.

[Jnorm888]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1258200' date='Apr 27 2007, 04:30 PM']Yeah I never understood the Episcopalian anti-tradition agenda. I mean, I thought that they were for tradition [to an extent], then to ordain women and homosexuals, clearly violates the scriptures and tradition.

Copts have taken a clear stand against homosexuality, so no need to worry.

Reza[/quote]


It's because of philosphical naturalism. Once a Church bites that it's hard to shake!!! It's like the crack cocain of theology. The Liberals are the ones who mostly run the ECUSA and they are pretty much guided by Post modernism and philosophical naturalism.





This is why you are seeing what you are seeing in the ECUSA as well as with alot of the other liberal mainstream protestant groups.

[Didacus]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1264365' date='May 4 2007, 01:57 PM']As I noted, this is a misrepresentation of the situation. There's no question of the Catholic Church "joining the prostitutes coalition for peace and pimp awareness." Does that mean that its leaders shouldn't talk to anyone? What's wonderful to see, in fact, is the Catholic Church standing firm on this issue in spite of the expectations of secular culture, as opposed to "growing" or "evolving" as with the Episcopalian Church in the US, or the Anglican Church in the UK.[/quote]


Well said my friend, well said.

I second and third and fourth that notion.


And any picture of Jesus would be a good picture in my photo album.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Captain_Fantastic' post='1264442' date='May 4 2007, 02:58 PM']I hope you all realize that you are coming across as extremely judgmental to this agnostic. What business of yours if other denominations allow gay marriage or not? Answer: none.[/quote]

It our mutual duty to correct each other of error. We should do so with charity, but we cannot escape such a duty which love commands.

[Budge]

[quote]I hope you all realize that you are coming across as extremely judgmental to this agnostic. What business of yours if other denominations allow gay marriage or not? Answer: none.[/quote]

Its called being unequally yoked.

For instance Im not going to go to a Bible study at the MCC [church that openly embraces homosexuality and promotes it]

I may talk to some homosexuals, be at a dinner with some...but Im not going to become yoked to them in their errors.

The pope has yoked with a church here {Church of England} with some serious errors.