Small Sins

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1217213' date='Mar 22 2007, 08:35 AM']I've answered that berfore. It's not good enough for him because it's not a dogmatic statement by the magesterium. He seems to have this hangup that everything is dogma and if it's not he doesn't like the answer.[/quote]
Well I suppose St. Gregory the Great's being quoted in the Catechism is an official endorsement of his statement on the issue. If I looked it up, I could probably also figure out if he was Pope at the time he wrote it.

[thessalonian]

Last night I read a part on purgatory In Ludwig Ott's dogma of Catholicism for another purpose and right there in the pages was what I told you about illumination of our sins when we are judged that brings us to repentence. Ott is hardly speculation and it's pretty much the cat's meow on teachings of the Catholic Church. But I doudt it will sastisfy you. While this matter is not dogmatically proclaimed it is pretty common teaching and hardly considered heretical. Not by any means. But you will persist because it leaves you feeling comfortable in your own home brewed theology.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='thedude' post='1217267' date='Mar 22 2007, 10:36 AM']Well I suppose St. Gregory the Great's being quoted in the Catechism is an official endorsement of his statement on the issue. If I looked it up, I could probably also figure out if he was Pope at the time he wrote it.[/quote]

It's certainly doctrinal. I also found it in Ott's book last night.

[jesussaves]

Thanks for the info.
Actually, you said you answered me, but I was asking for specific links, not just assertions. I hadn't gotten info until since after my last post. I'm still not sure I have.
I'm not sure of the validity of the link by the dude says, the Q and A section briefly very much says that you'd be forgiven in Purgatory, yet I've seen an overwhelming amount of literature say otherwise, that you cannot be forgiven in purgatory other than the temporal elements of sin. From this, it'd seem that last website is an outlier.

I think you're confused as to whether the forgiveness is a doctrinal teaching or not, from Gregory. You said it is just now, but before that you said it wasn't and for that reason I wouldn't be satisfied. That mention of Gregory in the Catechism only mentions that purgatory will forgive. That can mean what I've read before that temporal aspects of one's sins are what are forgiven.

I will need to look into the Ott info as I have no link etc.

If it was doctrinal, I would give up my point. If it's not, I know you think it petty, but I think that's crucial information that a true Church would possess definitively.

Edited March 24, 2007 by jesussaves

[thessalonian]

[quote]but I think that's crucial information that a true Church would possess definitively.[/quote]

Well guess then there are no true churches out there and we are to be "blown about by every wind of doctrine".

Otts statement does indicate that it may come soon after entering purgatory which I am sure you will find objection too. He does say that it happens soon after entering purgatory. All of this is of course in a different time frame so I am not sure anything we say in the english language can be very dogmatic on the matter of the afterlife. God has said "eye has not seen nor ear heard what God has ready for those who love him". Church teaching does not give all the details on the afterlife (which purgatory is) because the afterlife is beyond the concern of scripture which is primarily for the purpose of getting us there.

Edited March 24, 2007 by thessalonian

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='jesussaves' post='1217958' date='Mar 23 2007, 08:40 PM']I think you're confused as to whether the forgiveness is a doctrinal teaching or not, from Gregory. You said it is just now, but before that you said it wasn't and for that reason I wouldn't be satisfied. That mention of Gregory in the Catechism only mentions that purgatory will forgive. That can mean what I've read before that temporal aspects of one's sins are what are forgiven.[/quote]
Since it is in the Catechism (the "sure norm" as John Paul II said in his promulgation of it) it should be assented to. It appears to me that St. Gregory is talking about more than temporal punishment. Read the quotation again and see what you think. God bless!