Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 [quote name='theculturewarrior' post='1220383' date='Mar 27 2007, 07:31 AM']It's the eye of Sauron. The Vatican wants the ring. :ohmy:[/quote] Pffft...you and I both know that the Vatican already has the ring.
cmotherofpirl Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1219861' date='Mar 26 2007, 10:31 AM']I am trained in art. I believe that the type of art the Vatican chooses shows something about it. The big gold ball above looks like an eye of Sauron too...[/quote] And your point? The Vatican has 3000 years of art, so if you think about it, it merely points out the Church is universal and so is the love of beautiful things.
jeffpugh Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 [quote name='Templari' post='1220204' date='Mar 27 2007, 12:57 AM']What the hell is the big golden ball anyways? Well i do think that particular statue in question is rather ugly and i would not recommend supporting the artist in the future, i do think supporting artists in general is good, especially if that is jazz that people like.[/quote] Hey buddy, good to see ya posting! I dunno I sort of like the art as I mentioned earlier. Budge, the fact that you've been schooled in art is a non-sequiteur on your main argument. It's one of those, "who cares?" moments (side note, I do care, but not as far as the argument). It's all about the creator's intent. The art has beauty because it reflects Christ. Let me get this straight though, I don't think an impressionist attempt at Christ would go so well...
Budge Posted March 28, 2007 Author Posted March 28, 2007 [quote]he art has beauty because it reflects Christ.[/quote] How does that big sauron eyeball golden ball reflect Christ?
cmotherofpirl Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1221115' date='Mar 28 2007, 11:49 AM']How does that big sauron eyeball golden ball reflect Christ?[/quote] It be nice if you bothered to get your facts at least semi-straight. The[b] bronze[/b] sculpture is 4m in diameter and was the first piece of modern art to be displayed at the Vatican [b]Museum[/b]. It was sculptured by an Italian Arnaldo Pamadoro. Its called modern art, so of course its ugly. [url="http://www.travelpost.com/photo-large.aspx?imid=31524"]http://www.travelpost.com/photo-large.aspx?imid=31524[/url]
Guest T-Bone Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1221115' date='Mar 28 2007, 08:49 AM']How does that big sauron eyeball golden ball reflect Christ?[/quote] I didn't know that the Eye of Sauron was a real thing. Or that the Pope had such powers. Being a Catholic is even cooler than I thought.
Winchester Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1217208' date='Mar 22 2007, 07:11 AM'][img]http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3923/1165480686paparim6uj1.jpg[/img] from another board... I found out this creepy "statue" is in one of the buildings at the Vatican, and it is in the Pope PAUL VI Theatre... More information on the artist who made this monstrosity... [img]http://www.christiantoday.com/files/church/church_20040826_thu3art.jpg[/img][/quote] If Jerry Seinfel disappeared for several months and then showed up on stage, we would expect him to have some new material. This idiocy has already been refuted. I know this dance...extend hand, bow.... Are you arguing that art has inherent meaning?
Winchester Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 I know that work, it's entitled "I'm coming to get you, Peter! ARGHHHHH!" It is ugly, but thank God that bad taste doesn't send us to Hell, right?
Socrates Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1221247' date='Mar 28 2007, 01:40 PM']I didn't know that the Eye of Sauron was a real thing. Or that the Pope had such powers. Being a Catholic is even cooler than I thought.[/quote] It looked to me more like a downed satellite, or an alien spacecraft. It's probably the means by which the Vatican keeps in contact with its extraterrestrial masters - just ask our friend Carderro.
Budge Posted March 30, 2007 Author Posted March 30, 2007 [quote]It's probably the means by which the Vatican keeps in contact with its extraterrestrial masters - just ask our friend Carderro. wink.gif[/quote] Considering aliens are demonic.... extraterrestrial masters, you may not be too far off the beaten track there.. Lot of truth in humor sometimes... [url="http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/"]http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/[/url]
Winchester Posted April 5, 2007 Posted April 5, 2007 [quote name='Winchester' post='1221896' date='Mar 29 2007, 06:34 AM']If Jerry Seinfel disappeared for several months and then showed up on stage, we would expect him to have some new material. This idiocy has already been refuted. I know this dance...extend hand, bow.... Are you arguing that art has inherent meaning?[/quote] The wierdest thing about this picture? No one is checking to make sure the sculture isn't coming to get them.
Guest T-Bone Posted April 5, 2007 Posted April 5, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1222582' date='Mar 29 2007, 08:19 PM']Considering aliens are demonic.... extraterrestrial masters, you may not be too far off the beaten track there.. Lot of truth in humor sometimes... [url="http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/"]http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/[/url][/quote]
cathoholic_anonymous Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 [quote]Considering aliens are demonic....[/quote] ?!?!?
Budge Posted April 9, 2007 Author Posted April 9, 2007 [url="http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/43/"]http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/43/[/url] [url="http://www.think-aboutit.com/abductions/demonpos.htm"] The Similarities Between Demonic Possession and Alien Abduction[/url] eally think about these quotes:. Abductions, pp. 108-109 [quote] "...Further, in light of the messages given by the UFO entities,[b]how credible is it to think that literally thousands of genuine extraterrestrials would fly millions or billions of light years simply to teach New Age philosophy, deny Christianity, and support the occult? [/b]Why would they do this with the preponderance of such activity already occurring on this planet? And why would the entities actually possess and inhabit people (as in Walk-ins and channeling) just like demons do if they were really advanced extraterrestrials? Why would they consistently lie about things which we know are true, and why would they purposely deceive their contacts?" - John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena, 1992 .p13.[/quote] [quote] :"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. [b]It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestation and 'possession.' Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena.[/b]"-Lynn E. Catoe, UFOs and Related Subjects: USGPO, 1969; prepared under AFOSR Project Order 67-0002 and 68-0003[/quote] [quote] "UFO behaviour is more akin to magic than to physics as we know it... [b]the modern UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical[/b]."-Dr. Pierre Guerin, FSR Vol. 25, No. 1, p. 13-14[/quote] [quote] "The symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of initiation ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult]traditions of every culture... [b]the structure of abduction stories is identical to that of occult initiation rituals...the UFO beings of today belong to the same class of manifestation as the [occult] entities that were described in centuries past."-[/b]Dr. Jacques Vallee citing the extensive research of Bertrand Meheust [Science-Fiction et Soucoupes Volantes (Paris, 1978) ; Soucoupes Volantes et Folklore (Paris, 1985)], in Confrontations, p. 146, 159-161[/quote] Why do you think the Bible warns of the Spirits of the air?
Budge Posted April 9, 2007 Author Posted April 9, 2007 [url="http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/43/"]http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/43/[/url] [url="http://www.think-aboutit.com/abductions/demonpos.htm"] The Similarities Between Demonic Possession and Alien Abduction[/url] eally think about these quotes:. Abductions, pp. 108-109 [quote] "...Further, in light of the messages given by the UFO entities,[b]how credible is it to think that literally thousands of genuine extraterrestrials would fly millions or billions of light years simply to teach New Age philosophy, deny Christianity, and support the occult? [/b]Why would they do this with the preponderance of such activity already occurring on this planet? And why would the entities actually possess and inhabit people (as in Walk-ins and channeling) just like demons do if they were really advanced extraterrestrials? Why would they consistently lie about things which we know are true, and why would they purposely deceive their contacts?" - John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena, 1992 .p13.[/quote] [quote] :"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. [b]It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestation and 'possession.' Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena.[/b]"-Lynn E. Catoe, UFOs and Related Subjects: USGPO, 1969; prepared under AFOSR Project Order 67-0002 and 68-0003[/quote] [quote] "UFO behaviour is more akin to magic than to physics as we know it... [b]the modern UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical[/b]."-Dr. Pierre Guerin, FSR Vol. 25, No. 1, p. 13-14[/quote] [quote] "The symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of initiation ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult]traditions of every culture... [b]the structure of abduction stories is identical to that of occult initiation rituals...the UFO beings of today belong to the same class of manifestation as the [occult] entities that were described in centuries past."-[/b]Dr. Jacques Vallee citing the extensive research of Bertrand Meheust [Science-Fiction et Soucoupes Volantes (Paris, 1978) ; Soucoupes Volantes et Folklore (Paris, 1985)], in Confrontations, p. 146, 159-161[/quote] Why do you think the Bible warns of the Spirits of the air?
cmotherofpirl Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 Do you really think demons need spacecraft????
Budge Posted April 9, 2007 Author Posted April 9, 2007 of course not.... But sci-fi and other lies have set up people to be deceived... so of course the spacecraft would be used to fool people.
cmotherofpirl Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1236148' date='Apr 9 2007, 01:29 PM']of course not.... But sci-fi and other lies have set up people to be deceived... so of course the spacecraft would be used to fool people.[/quote] So you think demons ride around in spacecraft to fool us???
goldenchild17 Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 [quote name='Winchester' post='1221896' date='Mar 29 2007, 06:34 AM']If Jerry Seinfel disappeared for several months and then showed up on stage, we would expect him to have some new material.[/quote] I think you give Mr. Seinfeld a little too much credit...
Budge Posted April 9, 2007 Author Posted April 9, 2007 Dont you believe that demons show up in different forms to deceive? ANGELS OF LIGHT? as warned of in the Bible, or do you think they always show up carrying the pitch fork so you know what they are?
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