Jihad Is A Much Larger Threat Than Nazism

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1225570' date='Apr 1 2007, 02:25 AM']sorry - I mis read your post, RezaLemmyng.

You wrote:
But seeing as you know Robert Spencer's work so well you would know that "Inside Islam" was also written by Daniel Ali ...hardly an outsider, raised a Muslim, and witnessed a family devastated by this current global Jihad. He has lost family to Jihad.
Daniel Ali wrote another book [i]Out of Islam, Free at Last[/i]

[b]The Problem is that Daniel Ali doesn't have alot of credit to his claims. I wouldn't even remotely refer to his perspective as "inside". However I'd like to quote Mother Theresa, ""There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic."[/b]

And my information on Germany is from the tv news... and a thing called the Internet.
Need a link? You know what a link it, don't you RezaLemmyng?
Try [url="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,473017,00.html"]HERE [/url]and [url="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,473017,00.html"]HERE[/url]

[b]What makes you think these "links" are credible? Because they go along with your agenda? It's even more interesting that you'd said that court rooms in Germany were quote "judging cases based on Shariah Law rather than German law" as if that's the norm in Germany, but the links that you gave don't even remotely hint at the idea that you presented, rather said that a particular judge decided to rule upon it. In other words, this was an isolated incident.

Being from a Muslim family thou, and knowing the Quran pretty well, I'm going to say that your "link" isn't very credible. If you'd like to go over the verses in the Quran that, as your article put it, "allow women to be beat", then by all means lets discuss it but its far from the truth.[/b]

Now tell me, RezaLemmyng
Why do you so quickly defend Islamofascists?

[b]I'm not "defending" Islamofascists, what I am defending is the truth about Islam. As a convert to Christianity, and having made the choice to follow the words and living testimony of Jesus Christ, I believe that we should live in Spirit and in Truth. I don't tolerate those that know little to nothing about Islam, spreading propaganda about it, that is far from the truth. There's plenty of elements in the Quran that aren't true, so Christians shouldn't have to fabricate slanders about the Quran but can simply disprove it with that which is true.

This doesn't make me a defender of "Islamofascists" but rather a defender of Muslims, from lies and slander, which every good Christian should do. We don't like those in the Islamic world telling their people false truths about Christianity, so we shouldn't spread false truths about Islam.[/b]

Why do you so quickly argue against those who fight Jihadistan?

[b]It doesn't appear that you're fighting anything but yourself, and youre not helping the situation. I'd ministered to and had success ministering to Muslims for a very long time, and your methods don't bring Muslims closer to Christianity but further from it. Muslims need to witness with their own eyes, Christians living the truth, not slandering a religion because of their own prejudices without even a clear understanding of it.[/b][/quote]

[Mercy me]

mark Steyn has a great column today that speaks to this topic. [url="http://www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/321825,CST-EDT-steyn01.article"]This is the link. [/url] The whole column pertains to the topic but the bottom is few lines really nail it.

[quote]So we live today in a world of one-way sovereignty: American, British and Iraqi forces in Iraq respect the Syrian and Iranian borders; the Syrians and Iranians do not respect the Iraqi border. Patrolling the Shatt al-Arab at a time of war, the Royal Navy operates under rules of engagement designed by distant fainthearts with an eye to the polite fictions of "international law": If you're in a ''warship,'' you can't wage war. If you're in a ''destroyer,'' don't destroy anything. If you're in a "frigate," you're frigging done for.

On Sept. 11, a New York skyscraper was brought down by the Egyptian leader of a German cell of an Afghan terror group led by a Saudi. Islamism is only the first of many globalized ideological viruses that will seep undetected across national frontiers in the years ahead. Meanwhile, we put our faith in meetings of foreign ministers.

"It is better to be making the news than taking it," wrote Winston Churchill in 1898. But his successors have gotten used to taking it, and the men who make the news well understand that.[/quote]

[jeffpugh]

Umm ... just going back to what GodChaser [FullTruth] said about rebuilding the temple... since when has this been happening? I demand links please and thanks.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1226008' date='Apr 1 2007, 05:26 PM']Umm ... just going back to what GodChaser [FullTruth] said about rebuilding the temple... since when has this been happening? I demand links please and thanks.[/quote]
The Temple isn't being built yet, but it will be, eventually.

The anti-Christ declares his power from there, supposedly.

Still, the system of the beast isn't what most people think.

The system of the beast is the difference between two testimonies - that of Deuteronmy 6 and the mark of the beast.

[Lounge Daddy]

RezaLemmyng, you can quote Mother Theresa and talk religious moral equivalency all you want.
I will trust what I see and here in the news.
And what I see is a world threatened by Islamofascism

and I would trust sources like Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer - who you would call outsiders, and also folks like Daniel Ali (Muslim who converted to Christianity) and to Walid Shoebat (former PLO terrorist) among others

excuse me for trusting these sources over a man who claims to be a Christian (and you may very well be) who is posting at internet web sites as a Muslim apologist.
if you really are as well meaning and peace loving as you say you are - your time would be better spent working to rid the "religion of peace" of its murderous radical elements. Until then the so-called religion of peace will remain a threat, a pestilence, and a curse upon the free world.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1226744' date='Apr 2 2007, 12:21 AM']excuse me for trusting these sources over a man who claims to be a Christian (and you may very well be) who is posting at internet web sites as a Muslim apologist.[/quote]In my limited reading, I certainly haven't gotten the impression that Reza is a Muslim apologist. For example, he was quite ready to acknowledge the suffering of the Coptic community, under the threats of the Muslim majority population in Egypt.

I think he provides a pretty good sanity check, to make sure that our Christian view of Islam is an accurate one. We should focus on the real errors of Islam, and avoid trying to build arguments from distortions of Islam. In the latter, we become guilty of "Jack Chick" apologetics.

In short, I'm glad Reza's here (despite any disagreements we might have) because he provides a fresh and informed viewpoint for Phatmass.

PS: for what it's worth, I'm not a huge fan of the Mother Teresa quote, because of the tendency to interpret indifferentism into her spirituality.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1226775' date='Apr 1 2007, 11:51 PM']In my limited reading, I certainly haven't gotten the impression that Reza is a Muslim apologist. For example, he was quite ready to acknowledge the suffering of the Coptic community, under the threats of the Muslim majority population in Egypt.

I think he provides a pretty good sanity check, to make sure that our Christian view of Islam is an accurate one. We should focus on the real errors of Islam, and avoid trying to build arguments from distortions of Islam. In the latter, we become guilty of "Jack Chick" apologetics.

In short, I'm glad Reza's here (despite any disagreements we might have) because he provides a fresh and informed viewpoint for Phatmass.

PS: for what it's worth, I'm not a huge fan of the Mother Teresa quote, because of the tendency to interpret indifferentism into her spirituality.[/quote]

all right, Mateo
thanks, I'll keep your observations in mind

[RezaMikhaeil]

L.D. Why do you assume that everyone that doesn't tolerate lies about another religion is an advocate for that religion? I believe that Christians should stand for truth in every situation, regardless. Is this not what Jesus would do, is this not what the Saints would do? Christians are supposed to be above having to resort to distortions and lies about another religion, that just leads to an "us against them" attitude. Muslims aren't my enemy, everything that is a false truth is the enemy. Why do you even go as far as questioning and hinting at the idea that I'm less Christian for suggesting that we keep to the truth in every situation?

Mateo el Feo: It's great to have a Maronite Christian here too. Most Catholic forums that I'd participated in, don't have Maronites, so that's very awesome to see here. I was curious if you were from Lebanon?

Given the response of "those" saying that I'm a "Muslim apologist", I'm going to give you some hints at the problems with Islam, from my perspective without distortions to the religion.

1.) Islam began as a "sect" [like Protestantism] of Christianity. Muhammed's uncle was a Bishop in the church, his first wife born and baptised a Christian. Facts that prove this: A: Syriac Orthodox Martyrs are mentioned by name in the Quran. B: The Quran [name] is dirived from a Syriac Orthodox writing called "The Quryana". C: Muslims originally prayed towards Jerusalem. D: Syriac Orthodox Monks were/are known to pray 7 formal prayers, Muslims later changed it to 5. E: Islamic Calligraphy [like that that wraps Mosques and Shrines of Islam] that has no beginning or end [symbolizing God's infinate state] came from Copts [Egyptian Christians

2.) The problems with the Quran: The Quran was originally written as a 3 section script [historical, cultural, prophetic]. After Muhammed kept adding to it and his followers compiled it along with the Hadeeths, those sections became mingled [this would be like mingling the new and old testament of the bible]. Scriptures or "Surahs" [such as Surah 9:5 that talks about "lay and wait for the infidels, then attack"] that were historical [as Surah 9:5 that is referencing an attack that Muslims were facing during their holy month at that moment] were later mingled and so it was difficult for the average reader to decide the difference between something historical and what was to be taken literally right this moment. Most Muslims know that it's not literal but it was historical [which is why most are peaceful] but there are those that twist this scripture for political gain and those that simply are blind to believe it is to be taken literally.

More to come later - Reza

[Lounge Daddy]

that's all fine.
where am I wrong?

You mention me and "everyone that doesn't tolerate lies about another religion is an advocate for that religion?"
Interesting that you speak of Islam and tolerance at the same time.

I have no real quarrel with Buddhists... Jews... or pretty much any other religion
I do have a quarrel with the only religion that is lead by so many people calling for the death of anyone who doesn't agree with it.
This is a religion founded by death, and built upon death. It has a history of nothing but death and slavery.

I don't care who his uncle was, Mohamed was a ruthless military leader who founded a religion.
He murdered people, cursed others, and his most dedicated followers seek to imitate him today.
Today the same as yesterday Islam is a religion of intolerance, and war and I see this in practice as it spreads its tentacles throughout the globe.

Like I said. Your time would be better spent seeking to eliminate the threat that exists within the so-called religion of peace that you seek to defend.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1226922' date='Apr 2 2007, 12:40 AM']that's all fine.
where am I wrong?

[b]I'd already pointed out where you were wrong. You then responded with attacking me as a "Muslim Apolegist" in which Mateo el Feo had defended me.[/b]

You mention me and "everyone that doesn't tolerate lies about another religion is an advocate for that religion?"
Interesting that you speak of Islam and tolerance at the same time.

[b]What are you saying? Because some Muslims partake in spreading false propaganda about Christianity that gives Christians the right to do so with Islam? It thought Jesus Christ had called his people to something greater then stooping to such a level? Because others sin, does that mean that you sin? Christians turn the other cheek, not "an eye for an eye". It's also very important to note that you're over stereotyping a demographic of people in order to fuel an agenda of hate.[/b]

I have no real quarrel with Buddhists... Jews... or pretty much any other religion

[b]Let me get this straight, you have an issue with Muslims because of the few that have persecuted Christians [including Copts, Maronites, etc] but got no problem with Buddists? Buddists were responsible for possibly the greatest revolt against the west, killing everybody that was a Christian in the far-east. The Syriac Orthodox used to have lots of churches in China, had a significant contribution to the Tang Dynasty, then in a massive anti-Christian revolt [because of failed communications with the west], thousands upon thousands [probably millions] of Christians were executed, and you wanna say that you got no problem with Buddists but Muslims are [color="#FF0000"][size=5][b]EVIL[/b][/size][/color]. Seriously you should read some history books, find out more about a particular demographic before you go about hating it and everyone else that doesn't take your stance as their own.[/b]

I do have a quarrel with the only religion that is lead by so many people calling for the death of anyone who doesn't agree with it.
This is a religion founded by death, and built upon death. It has a history of nothing but death and slavery.

[b]It's obvious that you don't understand the religion, that's what gives you that impression of Muslims as a demographic. "A history of death and slavery", apparently you havn't read Christian history. Have you read much about the West African Slave Trade? About the Copts persecuted by the Crusades? Seriously, Christianity has a bloody history following it. Now I'm not going to say that that's what Christianity stands for, Jesus Christ's actions were those that we should follow, not those that have given Christians a bad reputation. You're seriously going to have to attempt to get past your stereotypes, prejudices, etc. if you're genuinely interested in bringing Jesus Christ to Muslims. Being a former Muslim, I'm going to say that it's this type of rhetoric that you're spreading, that kept me from Christianity, it was Christians that genuinely understood Islam and Muslims as a demographic [and their history], and those that presented the truth about Christianity [and its history] lovingly that made Christianity alive to me.[/b]

I don't care who his uncle was, Mohamed was a ruthless military leader who founded a religion.

[b]If you don't know nothing about Muhammed, such as his upbringing, then it's impossible for you to make an informative, truthful, and mature judgement about it's history, it's followers, etc. As I'd mentioned before, it's imparative that you get past your hatred for Muslims.[/b]

He murdered people, cursed others, and his most dedicated followers seek to imitate him today.

[b]You're cursing people to, based upon false truths, yet you accuse Muslims of doing so, that's a bit of a contradiction don't you think? Being raised by Muslims [shiites and sunnis] that lived their religion, I'd have to disagree with you about your stereotype about Muslims. I'm guessing that you probably don't know a single Muslim huh? I'm guessing that you can't quote a single surah from the Quran in the proper context, probably know less about Islam then Muslims know about Roman Catholicism and yet you're judging them? That's gotta be the weirdest combination. Seriously learn about Islam before you go judging a whole demographic and declaring them to be "evil". His Holiness [the current Pope] definately doesn't agree with you and His Holiness Pope John Paul II wouldn't agree with you either. I'm guessing that those two patriarchs would disagree with Islam extensively [that isn't what I'm denying], as I have been, but they would come with actual truths, not just false stereotypes to justify their position.[/b]

Today the same as yesterday Islam is a religion of intolerance, and war and I see this in practice as it spreads its tentacles throughout the globe.

[b]Just as you'd allowed false truths to blind your psychy, just seeing every Muslim as intolerant and seeking war, a vast majority of Muslims see Christianity as such. Does this mean that I believe Christianity is intolerant and having a thirst for war? No because I know the fundementals, the history, the doctrine of Christianity and it doesn't reflect that misconception.[/b]

Like I said. Your time would be better spent seeking to eliminate the threat that exists within the so-called religion of peace that you seek to defend.

[b]... on the contrary, my time is best spent keeping Christians from being perceived as idiots for prejudging a religion, that these individuals know nothing about. The truth is that most Muslims that chose Christianity that I'm in contact with, get discouraged because of individuals that are so ignorant to mispercieve them. If I'm able to "convert" a million Muslims, it does no good if Christians don't do their part by living in truth and knowing the truth about something before judging it/them.[/b] [b]I know alot of Muslims that just see Romans as blood thirsty crusaders, with child molesting tendencies, that desire to drink their blood [in which freaks them out alot, considering most don't understand the Eucharist and see that as canabolism too]. Does that mean that Romans truely are like that? No because if that was the case, I wouldn't be here on this message board but the truth is that the majority of Catholics are great loving people, that Muslims could learn alot from and gain alot from, in which I'd be thrilled to see a Muslim convert to Roman Catholicism. I don't believe that a single soul that ever met His Holiness Pope John Paul II could leave his presence, not loving him as a human being.

Since I'm involving His Holiness Pope John Paul II, let me mention that President Khatami [the former President of Iran] was a very close friend to His Holiness, visited with him often and attended his funeral. At his funderal, President Khatami sat next to the former President of Isreal [probably planned by the Vatican and maybe the Pope himself on purpose] and made friends wth him [the President of Isreal was born in a town in Iran, so they probably had alot of common ground]. President Khatami had made several public statements regarding his friendship with His Holiness Pope John Paul II, in one of them saying that His Holiness Pope John Paul II was a man of "truth, justice and peace", in another statement President Khatami said, "

[i]“Pope John Paul II was a disciple of religious mysticism, philosophic deliberation and thought and artistic and poetic creativity,” Khatami wrote in a message to Vatican Secretary of State Angelo Sodano.

“By emphasising his experience and teachings, (he) earnestly tried to utilise them in the path of the triumph of truth, justice and peace,” said Khatami..

“It is hoped that the leadership of Catholic Christianity, by following the teachings of the Prophet Jesus, may peace be upon him, by interacting with justice seeking and peace loving political-religious leaders and by also following the ethical and humanitarian thinking of John Paul II, help the world towards a better and more just life,”[/i]

Even the radical group Hamas and the Palestinian people said, "are calling on the Pope's successor to keep the same position that opposes the occupation and its crimes against Moslems and Christians in Palestine."[/b][/quote]

Edited April 2, 2007 by RezaLemmyng

[cathoholic_anonymous]

I understand Reza's position. I used to get accused of being an undercover Muslim on another forum where I tried to correct misconceptions about Islam, even though I repeatedly stated that I am a Catholic. I left because no one would believe me. They had already decided what Islam was. They had no interest in the experiences of someone who grew up in Saudi Arabia, lived in Muslim communities, and can actually read the Qu'ran in the original.

No one who genuinely wants to learn about Islam should read books by Robert Spencer. The man is a charlatan. Someone actually gave me a copy of [i]The Politically Correct Guide to Islam[/i] once, presumably under the impression that I could hardly fail to be bowled over by such stupendous scholarship. That book is riddled with mistakes. It is to Islam what a Chick tract is to Catholicism. Daniel Pipes, affectionately known as 'Leaky Pipes' amongst my Muslim friends, is also a classic example of Who Not to Read.

Before people rush to endorse the likes of Daniel Ali and Ibn Warraq, these 'former Muslims', let's remember the 'former Catholics' who have posted in this debate forum. I really hope that no one would look to them for an accurate explanation of what Catholicism stands for.

[Budge]

Islam is a false religion founded by a demon...a false angel of light that appeared to Mohammed. "allah" of Islam is NOT "God"

However saying that the poor Islamic people are in bondage to this false religion and need the gospel, they do not need interfaith platitudes. They need a road out of the darkness they are in due to a false religion that subverts love and peace even in their earthly lives.

Islam does teach them false things, and things like lesser treatment of women--diferent shades depending on what sect, and a capricious god of conditions. {Ive read the Koran} and terrible things regarding "infidels", Isalm DOES NOT teach LOVE THY ENEMY. The treatment of Jews is horrendous. the Bible does warn about the descendants of Ishamel who shall be as "wildmen". Bible Prophecy makes it clear the show down beween Islam and Israel WOULD OCCUR.

We should be depositing BIbles and missionaries on the Middle East not endless bombs but sadly I know the outcome of where this is all going. Many jewish people are going to die--when Israel is attacked..many people in the Middle East too, I believe the world is ON the brink of WWIII.

However saying that, Islamic people ARE being demonized in the West, protrayed as all being terrorists. I know most Islamic people are NORMAL people who just wnat to make a living and raise their children. While there are terrorists and certainly their religion preaches false messages to hate Israel and more, most are normal people When the Iraq war began I thought of all the people who were going to get blown up and die. People in America pictured Iraq as everyone living in tents or something, no they had a modern nation with cars, with office buildings and even amusement parks.

I get tired of the drumbeats of war and have been utterly disgusted by so called "Christians" who say garbage like "NUKE THE MIDDLE EAST" and other such garbage. I believe the powers of evil are leading the world into WWIII. The preachers who call for war and nuking are NOT speaking from the spirit of God but ANOTHER SPIRIT. {same as when Jesus rebuked the apostles who wanted to call down fire on those who rejected the gospel} Alice Baily and her Spirit Masters praised the Bomb for a reason.

[Budge]

Longue Daddy is a typical Republican who has been utterly trained to villify all Islamics while ignoring those who are destroying our country right within its borders.

Throughout world history a group of people are chosen and villified and dehumanized. I believe this DEFINITELY has happened with Islamics despite my grave concerns about the false teachings of that religion and what it preaches in regards to Jews and Christians.

I dont see Christians in the West with rare exceptions even attempting to convert the Muslims but we have those on one side with their interfaith platitutdes and those on the other side, whove written all of them off, want them all destroyed seemingly and listen more to FOX NEWs then they do the Bible regarding enemies.

The Muslim religion is NOT the only religion that has committed war against others, Reza is right about the Buddhists and others. Hindus even have committed violence against Christian missionaries.

Jesus Himself preached against crusades, inqusitions and more, when he rebuked the apostles I mention above, and there is a verse in the Bible about evil doers who will believe they are "killing" for God, that one definitely fits Inquisition.

So even when dominionist Republican evangelicals give out the NUKE MECCA line, they are IN THAT VERY ERROR, the same place with the apostles here.

Luk 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.

Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

[b]Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village.[/b]
[quote]I do have a quarrel with the only religion that is lead by so many people calling for the death of anyone who doesn't agree with it.
This is a religion founded by death, and built upon death. It has a history of nothing but death and slavery.[/quote]

So why call for DEATH FROM YOUR SIDE Lounge?

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1226977' date='Apr 2 2007, 09:45 AM']No one who genuinely wants to learn about Islam should read books by Robert Spencer. The man is a charlatan. Someone actually gave me a copy of [i]The Politically Correct Guide to Islam[/i] once, presumably under the impression that I could hardly fail to be bowled over by such stupendous scholarship. That book is riddled with mistakes. It is to Islam what a Chick tract is to Catholicism.[/quote]I haven't read the "Politically Incorrect Guide" book, but I did read the "Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics", which was co-authored by Spencer and Daniel Ali. Personally, I didn't see an overt attempt to distort Islam or quote its sources out of context. I would be open to seeing a list of key distortions or errors you could find in that book (i.e. "Inside Islam") or a link to such a list.

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1226977' date='Apr 2 2007, 09:45 AM']Daniel Pipes, affectionately known as 'Leaky Pipes' amongst my Muslim friends, is also a classic example of Who Not to Read.[/quote]He's not really discussing theological issues, which may be why I've never read his books. His books seem more focused on "clash of civilizations" stuff.

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1226977' date='Apr 2 2007, 09:45 AM']Before people rush to endorse the likes of Daniel Ali and Ibn Warraq, these 'former Muslims', let's remember the 'former Catholics' who have posted in this debate forum. I really hope that no one would look to them for an accurate explanation of what Catholicism stands for.[/quote]I understand where you're coming from. But, personally, I think that the experiences of being a former Catholic vs. a former Muslim are quite different. There is no risk for a former Catholic to make up the most far-fetched accusations against the Catholic Faith. In contrast, former Muslims can be subject to death, compliments of their government or some inspired citizen meting out his own justice, just for the act of converting. In short, there are real pressures on former Muslims (or anyone, for that matter), to watch their backs when they criticize Islam.

As far as whether anti-Muslim authors are worth reading, I would say: a resounding "Yes." Read the Muslim apologists [u]and[/u] read the anti-Muslim apologists. If you're lazy (like me), just read some of their many online debates, since each side is more likely to be accountable for their claims, knowing that any false claims would be quickly refuted.

While we Westerners live in a culture of self-criticism to the point of self-hatred, many Muslim countries teach (and will only tolerate) the most sanitized and positive presentation of their history. I would liken this to the Japanese not educating their citizens on Japanese attrocities against the Chinese during World War II. For this reason alone, we need to hear from their detractors.

Muslim apologists are more than happy to paint the West in the most unfavorable terms--and much of their ammunition comes from self-hating Western sources. For example, read [url="http://www.amazon.com/Occidentosis-Plague-Jala-Al-i-Ahmad/dp/0933782136/"]"Occidentosis: A Plague From the West" by Jalal Al-i Ahmad[/url]. Muslim apologists cry "foul play" when Islam is spoken of in such offensive terms (e.g. a disease...or worse, a plague); but, where were they when Ahmad wrote his book back in 1984?

As a side note: there's a publisher called "Brill Publishing" that puts out a whole bunch of interesting books, including translations of some of the earliest dialogues between Christian and Muslim theologians. Unfortunately, they are insanely expensive, costing anywhere from $75-180 per book. Ouch!

[Mateo el Feo]

Budge, thank you for sharing your wisdom on the "Islamics." LOL

[Budge]

who are you the PC language police?

I used Muslim much more.

You probably support all these endless wars for NWO profit.

Edited April 2, 2007 by Budge

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1227132' date='Apr 2 2007, 01:31 PM']who are you the PC language police?[/quote]It's not about PC. It's more about being educated.

[quote name='Budge' post='1227132' date='Apr 2 2007, 01:31 PM']I used Muslim much more.[/quote]Not on this thread.

[quote name='Budge' post='1227132' date='Apr 2 2007, 01:31 PM']You probably support all these endless wars for NWO profit.[/quote]What insight. LOL

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Budge' post='1227069' date='Apr 2 2007, 11:32 AM']Longue Daddy is a typical Republican who has been utterly trained to villify all Islamics while ignoring those who are destroying our country right within its borders.[/quote]

I'm not a Republican.
I don't believe all Muslims are evil terrorists.
I do believe that we have a huge problem right here in the USA.

[quote name='Budge' post='1227069' date='Apr 2 2007, 11:32 AM']I dont see Christians in the West with rare exceptions even attempting to convert the Muslims ...[/quote]


I agree with you on that one. One major major way Islam is spreading so very quickly is through converting many many people. It's a real battle for hearts and minds, and they seeming to be winning that one, eh?

[quote name='Budge' post='1227069' date='Apr 2 2007, 11:32 AM']So why call for DEATH FROM YOUR SIDE Lounge?[/quote]
Did I ever say "kill 'em all" ? lol
Ahh right. I'm the war mongering neo-con.

[Budge]

If you're not a Republican what are you?

Independent?

Libertarian?

{most of those types arent going rah-rah for Bush's exploits in the Mideast}

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote]I'm guessing that you can't quote a single surah from the Quran in the proper context, probably know less about Islam then Muslims know about Roman Catholicism and yet you're judging them?[/quote]
RezaLemmyng, why do I have to know the Koran to recognize Militant Islam as a threat and a menace?