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[Mateo el Feo]

Thanks for the reply...
[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1233290' date='Apr 7 2007, 06:30 AM']The church never used neither term, till Romans started spreading their propaganda saying that we were monophsyites, it was only then that the Copts decided to define our stance with a particular word, "miaphysites".[/quote]Do you know date the Copts defined their stance on the term "miaphysite"?

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1233290' date='Apr 7 2007, 06:30 AM']First, what I said in the original quote was that your own church clergy admitted that they were wrong to refer to us as "monophysites", in regards to documents that His Holiness Pope Shenounda signed, it doesn't mean that His Holiness believe that that should be the title of the Roman Catholic Church, it simply was what Romans believed it should be, and both sides made some compromises for peace.[/quote]For the sake of unity, yes. It is a noble goal to find common ground.

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1233290' date='Apr 7 2007, 06:30 AM']And what I really need you to understand is that after Chalcedon, Roman Catholics persecuted the Copts heavily based upon what was written at Chalcedon. I highly doubt that people just randomly decided to persecute Copts, it was based upon the council's actual words. I'll leave it to you to do the research.[/quote]How much more can I do? I've read the Council documents...the "council's actual words." If only one of us has read the documents, who needs to do research?
[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1233290' date='Apr 7 2007, 06:30 AM']No we don't agree because I'd referenced the original four patriarches, you're attempting to do a spin job on my words. Let's go backwards for a minute: I'd originally said that there were four original patriarches from different rites, none was "the head of the church" but their own rites because God is the head of the Church.... of those original 4, different demographics were given their own rite after much time. You'd attempted to spin my words and say that the Oriental Orthodox isn't "one church" because we have different rites [Etheopian Orthodox, Eritrean, etc], when the Roman Church also has different rites. Now I gotta hand it to you, because your manipulation or 'spin' of what I said was cleaver, but it was just that.[/quote]Here's the problem, Reza. You've got it in your head that I've got some secret agenda about the four rites being "proof" that the Oriental Orthodox isn't "one church." Honestly, that wasn't my point. If am going to discuss the question of "one church" with you, I will be up front about it, as I have in previous conversations. No secret agenda...no manipulation...no spin.
[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1233290' date='Apr 7 2007, 06:30 AM']You don't think that fasting regulations is a doctrinal issue? Priestly celibacy requirments is a doctrinal issue? Those are just that, different doctrinal stances.[/quote]This isn't a matter of what I think. In the Catholic Church, these issues are categorized as matters of discipline, not doctrines.
[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1233290' date='Apr 7 2007, 06:30 AM']And honestly if you think there's any difference between Oriental Orthodox and Roman Catholics having various rites, then you need a serious history lesson.[/quote]Totally misses the point of my statement. I asked you to provide a quote. You couldn't.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1233286' date='Apr 7 2007, 02:58 AM']You respond without answering my questions. Here are my questions again: [b]Maybe you could share the first document in which the term "miaphysite" occurs in Coptic literature. Was it before Chalcedon (i.e. 451 AD)?[/b] This would also help prove your claim that the Copts rejected Monophysitism before Rome.[/quote]
The term [i]mia physis[/i] was used by St. Cyril of Alexandria in his "Five Tomes Against Nestorius" in A.D. 430 in order to emphasize the reality of the incarnation in opposition to the Nestorian heresy; for, as he put it, after the union there is ". . . one nature of God the Logos incarnate ([i]mia physis tou Theou Logou sesarkomene[/i])" [St. Cyril of Alexandria, "Against Nestorius," I, 1, 6, 33]. Now, the use of this term (i.e., [i]mia physis[/i]) does not involve the blending of divinity and humanity in Christ; instead, it simply affirms the interpenetration ([i]perichoresis[/i]) of the two natures in the one person ([i]hypostasis[/i]) of the incarnate Logos. To put it another way, St. Cyril held that the Hypostatic Union involves a union of the two natures in a way that affirms their actual inseparability, without confusion or change; while also affirming their proper distinction [i]tei theoriai monei[/i] (in contemplation only).

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1233738' date='Apr 7 2007, 03:49 PM']The term [i]mia physis[/i] was used by St. Cyril of Alexandria in his "Five Tomes Against Nestorius" in A.D. 430 in order to emphasize the reality of the incarnation in opposition to the Nestorian heresy; for, as he put it, after the union there is ". . . one nature of God the Logos incarnate ([i]mia physis tou Theou Logou sesarkomene[/i])" [St. Cyril of Alexandria, "Against Nestorius," I, 1, 6, 33]. Now, the use of this term (i.e., [i]mia physis[/i]) does not involve the blending of divinity and humanity in Christ; instead, it simply affirms the interpenetration ([i]perichoresis[/i]) of the two natures in the one person ([i]hypostasis[/i]) of the incarnate Logos. To put it another way, St. Cyril held that the Hypostatic Union involves a union of the two natures in a way that affirms their actual inseparability, without confusion or change; while also affirming their proper distinction [i]tei theoriai monei[/i] (in contemplation only).[/quote]

[Lounge Daddy]

wow
it's amazing where and how far a post can sometimes go

[hoosieranna]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1234793' date='Apr 8 2007, 02:21 AM']wow
it's amazing where and how far a post can sometimes go [/quote]

No kidding. I had a request for translation turn into a comparison of Latin linguistics over the centuries.