Is The Usa A Democracy?

[Lounge Daddy]

A timed test. Go!

[Socrates]

A Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.

I challenge anyone to find an instance of any of the Founding Fathers referring to the republic as a "democracy."

[catholicinsd]

the term of 'democracy' is in used in the founding ducoments of this land.

[Guest T-Bone]

Neither the US Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence contain the word "democracy."

Which founding documents are you referring to?

[Maggyie]

Democracy = mob rule
Republic = representative government

That's the distinction I was always taught.

[catholicinsd]

people will come up with anything to bash the Dems. Is that caouse you know you're wrong most of the time?

[Guest T-Bone]

Do you even know what we're talking about?

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1223461' date='Mar 30 2007, 11:25 PM']Do you even know what we're talking about?[/quote]

Pretty sure ya;ll are trying come with new ways of trying knock those who don't agree with you.

[Maggyie]

I didn't get anything partisan out of this thread I think a good thrashing out of the merits and flaws of democracy (esp. with regard to public morals etc) from the Catholic point of view is needed! After all, the majority of people in a country may be fine with abortion, gay marriage, etc, but [i]vox populi [/i]is not neccesarily [i]vox Dei![/i] Truth is not determined by majority vote (sayeth Cardinal Ratzinger) and this poses interesting conflicts for law makers in a democratic society.

A week's worth of tacos, so very tasty and good for you, to whomever can identify the origin of the word "demos"

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1223464' date='Mar 30 2007, 09:28 PM']Pretty sure ya;ll are trying come with new ways of trying knock those who don't agree with you.[/quote]

And where'd you get that idea?

[FullTruth]

Democratically elected governments have more choice than, the Abortion Guy vrs. the Anti-Abortion guy.

President Bush got elected for that stance, and when you elect a madman, you get maddness!

Kerry, Bush, you'd see the same things, trust me.

If Kerry was in as president, all of a sudden he would have been on the Television saying,

"My fellow Americans. I told you I was going to take the troops out of Iraq, but with further consultation, I have come to the realization, we need to keep the troops in there for the time being," He would have said. "I will ensure the troops will be removed at the earliest possible time."

All the while, he would be enacting several of the UN treaties which are undermining our society and turning it into the totalitarian state the Illuminati wants!

I read a small comic a couple a months ago, and it reminded me of the Illuminati. They could have had the sign, our canidate won and your's didn't. It made me laugh, because if it was Bush or Kerry, they could have that sign on their lawn. Which Skull and Bones, Pro-Nafta, Pro-War candidate did you vote for! That totally gives me the giggles, because that is how stupid the democratic process has become! I think the next candidtate I will vote for is Robin Williams. LOL!

I'm a cynic, that's about it.

I don't put my trust in princes any more, because the rulers of the land are a bunch of corrupt little weasels and I can't wait until God turns this world upside down!

Edited March 31, 2007 by FullTruth

[Maggyie]

Nobody wants the week's worth of tacos, so very tasty and good for you,? Hint, think ancient civilization...

[Didymus]

I was always taught that the US is a Democratic Republic, whether it will remain so after the '08 election (or turn Socialist) is still to be decided by the American people.

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1223460' date='Mar 30 2007, 11:25 PM']people will come up with anything to bash the Dems. Is that caouse you know you're wrong most of the time?[/quote]
The Democratic party has no direct unique association with the general term 'democracy.' The same goes for Republicans and the word 'republic.'

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1223530' date='Mar 30 2007, 10:11 PM']I was always taught that the US is a Democratic Republic, whether it will remain so after the '08 election (or turn Socialist) is still to be decided by the American people.
The Democratic party has no direct unique association with the general term 'democracy.' The same goes for Republicans and the word 'republic.'[/quote]

Great Post!!!

Full Truth: I agree with most of your post, John Kerry was no different then Mr. Bush. Mr. Bush took the country to war, a war that Mr. Kerry voted for also, Mr. Kerry is pro-choice and Mr. Bush claimed to be against abortion but even while the Republicans controlled the house and senate, never once proposed a bill to completely outlaw abortion [though if he would have, it would have passed in his first term].

Reza

[Mercy me]

Our founding fathers were very wary of democracy. This is why the House of Representative was elected in their districts and senators were elected by the legistators of their state. The people did not vote for senators.

You can read more about their thinking by reading the Federalist Papers.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Mercy me' post='1223575' date='Mar 30 2007, 10:51 PM']Our founding fathers were very wary of democracy. This is why the House of Representative was elected in their districts and senators were elected by the legistators of their state. The people did not vote for senators.

[b]So are you against electing senators?[/b]

You can read more about their thinking by reading the Federalist Papers.[/quote]

[Mercy me]

I have not really thought about if I am for or against the popular election of senators because it is the way it is. There isn't really anything that I can do about it. I don't have a problem with the way things are. However, I do see the merits of their arguments in having a body that is insulated from the pressure of the general public.

[Mr.Cat]

The United States of America is a Constitutional Mixing Federalist Democratic Republic allocating much authority to the local governments being based on English Common Law with strong influences of Protestant and Masonic ideology.

The “Democratic Party” was originally named the “Democratic Republican Party” but was changed later on. You also have to remember that the Democratic Party in the last thirty years has rapidly and drastically changed.

Edited March 31, 2007 by Mr.CatholicCat

[Maggyie]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' post='1223603' date='Mar 31 2007, 02:13 AM']The United States of America is a Constitutional Mixing Federalist Democratic Republic allocating much authority to the local governments being based on English Common Law with strong influences of Protestant and Masonic ideology.

The “Democratic Party” was originally named the “Democratic Republican Party” but was changed later on. You also have to remember that the Democratic Party in the last thirty years has rapidly and drastically changed.[/quote]

That is very true. The average Democrat from the 30s, 40s, 50s and even the early 60s has a much different ethos than the average Democrat today. The same goes for the average Republican, too.

Edited March 31, 2007 by Maggie

[Mr.Cat]

Originally I wanted to go into politics but American politics started to depress me...

Edited March 31, 2007 by Mr.CatholicCat