Let The Demonization

[Justin (Wiccan)]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1245656' date='Apr 16 2007, 12:34 PM']Elvis - TRUE - He works at Hulen Mall in Fort Worth[/quote]

And no doubt frequents the Flamer's store on the upper level.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1245580' date='Apr 16 2007, 10:26 AM']SANDRA BULLOCK IS SECRETLY IN LOVE WITH ME[/quote]
Time for a battle royale with Couric and Bullock!

[zdog042]

FT, I understand, it is easier to react to a statement than to provide the proof upfront.

So, I shall now prove you wrong with incredible logic!

FT's claim is directly from good authority. The Good Authority is bunny. ergo, his claim is a bunny, and thus can not be true because we know that bunnys only speak in unsolvable riddles and lies.

Now, I have proven you wrong. Please prove me wrong, preferably by proving that your good authority is not a bunny.

BTW - my blood is O+

[N/A Gone]

You sound like a jerk and would rather make fun of it than deal with it? Is it impossible to disregard a statement without belittling the person?

We have a few options

1.) FT believes this because he has been misinformed
2.) FT is playing a joke
3.) FT is in need of professional help (nothing wrong with this friend, just stating a possibility)
4.) FT is occupied by the very demons he experiences.

Now, making fun of him and the situation would only be appropriate in the 2nd situation. If it is any of the other 3 options all we have done is alienate him, give him a horrible taste of catholic charity and refuse to offer assistance to a brother in need of help.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1245580' date='Apr 16 2007, 09:26 AM']Is that how it works now? I can throw out any statement that I want and its incumbent on others to prove it wrong?

ELVIS IS STILL ALIVE

SANDRA BULLOCK IS SECRETLY IN LOVE WITH ME

Ok now prove me wrong folks
FT what about your responsibility towards proving yourself right?[/quote]
Wait. Wait...wait...wait...wait...wait... you've been cheating on Katie Couric with Sandra Bullock?

[zdog042]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1246138' date='Apr 16 2007, 06:20 PM']You sound like a jerk and would rather make fun of it than deal with it? Is it impossible to disregard a statement without belittling the person?

We have a few options

1.) FT believes this because he has been misinformed
2.) FT is playing a joke
3.) FT is in need of professional help (nothing wrong with this friend, just stating a possibility)
4.) FT is occupied by the very demons he experiences.

Now, making fun of him and the situation would only be appropriate in the 2nd situation. If it is any of the other 3 options all we have done is alienate him, give him a horrible taste of catholic charity and refuse to offer assistance to a brother in need of help.[/quote]

I apologize. I try to stay away from sarcasm in written literature. I am not intending to imply that FT is a moron, or anything like that. I am merely attempting to draw out an actual response in a sarcastic/humorous manner.

FT, I have heard nothing but good about you. I want to actually find out about this because I have never heard this theory, and I would like to find out more about it.

Sorry if I was misunderstood.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]I want to actually find out about this because I have never heard this theory, and I would like to find out more about it.[/quote]

No matter which of Revprodeji's four criteria FullTruth meets, that is a remarkably strange thing to say. If he's misinformed (unlikey) he will feel that his misinformation has somehow been validated by your interest. If he's playing a joke, he will laugh harder. If he's suffering from a mental illness, your interest will fuel his belief in his delusions. If he is demon-possessed, this will provoke the devils.

Personally I think he's unwell. I also think we've heard as much as we need to hear about the nephilim. I vote that this thread be closed. It's not serving any purpose now.

[cmotherofpirl]

There is a lot of carp floating around the internet.

I believe Full Truth is posting something he found on a website[s] and actually believes. Closing the thread will not help him rid himself of this erronous belief, cold hard facts will.

[Justin (Wiccan)]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1246138' date='Apr 16 2007, 07:20 PM']You sound like a jerk and would rather make fun of it than deal with it? Is it impossible to disregard a statement without belittling the person?

We have a few options

1.) FT believes this because he has been misinformed
2.) FT is playing a joke
3.) FT is in need of professional help (nothing wrong with this friend, just stating a possibility)
4.) FT is occupied by the very demons he experiences.

Now, making fun of him and the situation would only be appropriate in the 2nd situation. If it is any of the other 3 options all we have done is alienate him, give him a horrible taste of catholic charity and refuse to offer assistance to a brother in need of help.[/quote]

There is a fifth option, though it is not pleasant to contemplate.

5.) FT believes this because his pride has deluded him.

In which case, while mockery is still not the best course, most Christian communities would probably reject him, citing obdurate persistence in sin.

[N/A Gone]

[quote name='zdog042' post='1246214' date='Apr 16 2007, 07:07 PM']I apologize. I try to stay away from sarcasm in written literature. I am not intending to imply that FT is a moron, or anything like that. I am merely attempting to draw out an actual response in a sarcastic/humorous manner.

FT, I have heard nothing but good about you. I want to actually find out about this because I have never heard this theory, and I would like to find out more about it.

Sorry if I was misunderstood.[/quote]

My reply on the first page of this thread includes links and sources into this theory from multiple angled backgrounds. Although I personally think it is a bunk idea, you know my background and I can attest that this is not something that FT is making up in his own mind. It is not a new view

[quote name='Justin (Wiccan)' post='1246392' date='Apr 16 2007, 08:16 PM']There is a fifth option, though it is not pleasant to contemplate.

5.) FT believes this because his pride has deluded him.

In which case, while mockery is still not the best course, most Christian communities would probably reject him, citing obdurate persistence in sin.[/quote]

Most christian communities fall very short of what it means to be a christian community. In my experience with FT the last thing I would accuse him of is having a pride that has deluded him. He has a passion, and I believe his vision is clouded by other things, but I dont believe he is being prideful here. I feel that if you clear the things that distort the vision, he will Budge from these views and be attracted towards the divine. That is just my opinion. I tried to deal with his original post, and i think some others have also. But the majority have simply spat on the man speaking on the corner.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1246138' date='Apr 16 2007, 07:20 PM']You sound like a jerk and would rather make fun of it than deal with it? Is it impossible to disregard a statement without belittling the person?

We have a few options

1.) FT believes this because he has been misinformed
2.) FT is playing a joke
3.) FT is in need of professional help (nothing wrong with this friend, just stating a possibility)
4.) FT is occupied by the very demons he experiences.

Now, making fun of him and the situation would only be appropriate in the 2nd situation. If it is any of the other 3 options all we have done is alienate him, give him a horrible taste of catholic charity and refuse to offer assistance to a brother in need of help.[/quote]
Thanks for the cover friend.

I did find this information from a close friend of mine on another forum. He gave some very sensetive information, which I will not give because I don't feel the need to give it, and he said it threw the occult world into chaos.

I have to admit, the demons who were attacking me regularly haven't been attacking me much, and the intensity is much weaker. Maybe one or two stings a day right now. Almost nothing worth noting, really. I think the occult world is too focused on what to do next, and hasn't been trying to do anything.

I will be the first to admit, I could be wrong. I've been wrong about things before, and God doesn't like anybody who is too proud to admit the possibility they could be wrong. When you get into that problem, it isn't the Christian communities that a believer should be worried about, but God himself.

The best way a believer gets knocked out of the faith is when they believe they don't need preaching, reproof, and think they have a perfect relationship with God. I pray that I never get to that point, and thankfully I have never been at that point.

Could I need counselling. Of course I do, and I have the best counsellor in the universe.

[quote name='Isaiah 9:6' date=' KJV']For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, [b]Counsellor[/b], The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.[/quote]

There is no other person who is qualified to be a counsellor, IMHO.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1246507' date='Apr 16 2007, 08:14 PM']I feel that if you clear the things that distort the vision, he will[b] Budge [/b]from these views and be attracted towards the divine.[/quote]

[N/A Gone]

Friend,

I would ask that you seek help. Not because I think anything is wrong with you, but because I desire that you have a soul that is free from the burden I worry you draw to yourself. Certain people are more "open" to spiritual attack, but often in the case of exorcisms and posession that person needs to open the door themselves. I worry that you are doing that. The classic christian example of faith is man walking up a latter towards the divine, aided by the angels and saints , but being pulled and distracted by the demons. I worry friend that your focus on the demons might cause your foot to slip as you are chasing God. Chasing God and associating with demons are not mutual friends. I know you feel you are doing good, and you are fighting them. But they are an evil that knows all our moves, has all the experience and if they have your focus you are resorted to nothing but a tool. And God loves you more to let them do that.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1246547' date='Apr 16 2007, 10:38 PM']Friend,

I would ask that you seek help. Not because I think anything is wrong with you, but because I desire that you have a soul that is free from the burden I worry you draw to yourself. Certain people are more "open" to spiritual attack, but often in the case of exorcisms and posession that person needs to open the door themselves. I worry that you are doing that. The classic christian example of faith is man walking up a latter towards the divine, aided by the angels and saints , but being pulled and distracted by the demons. I worry friend that your focus on the demons might cause your foot to slip as you are chasing God. Chasing God and associating with demons are not mutual friends. I know you feel you are doing good, and you are fighting them. But they are an evil that knows all our moves, has all the experience and if they have your focus you are resorted to nothing but a tool. And God loves you more to let them do that.[/quote]

Amen. Listen to the man. My advice is to just put them out of mind, no matter how much they torment.

Pax ><>

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1246524' date='Apr 16 2007, 10:21 PM']Thanks for the cover friend.

I did find this information from a close friend of mine on another forum. He gave some very sensetive information, which I will not give because I don't feel the need to give it, and he said it threw the occult world into chaos.
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Your friend is totally wrong, so clear your mind of this fallacy being promoted. He has absolutely no clue about Rh factors in people's blood. As we have explained Rh is one of hundreds of factors in a persons blood, and this one in fact can be changed by a simple injection, hardly something that could be related to demons. [/color][/quote]

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1246547' date='Apr 16 2007, 10:38 PM']Friend,

I would ask that you seek help. Not because I think anything is wrong with you, but because I desire that you have a soul that is free from the burden I worry you draw to yourself. Certain people are more "open" to spiritual attack, but often in the case of exorcisms and posession that person needs to open the door themselves. I worry that you are doing that. The classic christian example of faith is man walking up a latter towards the divine, aided by the angels and saints , but being pulled and distracted by the demons. I worry friend that your focus on the demons might cause your foot to slip as you are chasing God. Chasing God and associating with demons are not mutual friends. I know you feel you are doing good, and you are fighting them. But they are an evil that knows all our moves, has all the experience and if they have your focus you are resorted to nothing but a tool. And God loves you more to let them do that.[/quote]
I will definitely consider what you have said.

Things are not always as they appear to be. One of my more wise friend said to me, be patient with yourself and with the Lord.

I'm still have much to learn about spiritual warfare, and I am glad I am starting to learn a great deal about it now, through that book I sent to you. I could be decieved, and I want to learn how to be free from deceptive spirits.

There will come a time friend, as according to scripture and the will of God I will close windows of heaven, so that it will not rain for 3 and a 1/2 years while I engage in the greatest spiritual battle that I will have to fight. All I have to do now is find my old mentor, and tell him, even though we both sinned greatly before the Lord, his ministry with me has not ended.

I wonder, should I have GodChaser or AWitness as my name.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1246618' date='Apr 16 2007, 11:35 PM']I will definitely consider what you have said.

Things are not always as they appear to be. One of my more wise friend said to me, be patient with yourself and with the Lord.

I'm still have much to learn about spiritual warfare, and I am glad I am starting to learn a great deal about it now, through that book I sent to you. I could be decieved, and I want to learn how to be free from deceptive spirits.

There will come a time friend, as according to scripture and the will of God I will close windows of heaven, so that it will not rain for 3 and a 1/2 years while I engage in the greatest spiritual battle that I will have to fight. All I have to do now is find my old mentor, and tell him, even though we both sinned greatly before the Lord, his ministry with me has not ended.

I wonder, should I have GodChaser or AWitness as my name.[/quote]
Please check out stuff you discover on the internet with people who have a scientific background before you commit to believing it.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1246634' date='Apr 16 2007, 11:42 PM']Please check out stuff you discover on the internet with people who have a scientific background before you commit to believing it.[/quote]
Sure will cmom.

I'm glad you didn't freak about the other thing though. That didn't come from the Internet, it came from God to me in the third year of my conversion, way before I learned any of this stuff. Someone recently re-confirmed it when he said one of the two witnesses would have the annointing of Elija, which God told me he had already given that to me in the third year of my conversion. God is such a great and wonderful master!

Too Budge, that is the real reason I believe in Post-Trib.

Pre-Tribs would have you believe if you are left behind you're going to hell. I know I go through half of the reign of the Anti-Christ, and it will be one big spiritual battle. I wonder when he turns his eyes to me and my mentor what I shall do, just say - kill us, or will we combat him. Time will tell.

[N/A Gone]

I stress that as well. Check the sources of what you read. Much of the spiritual warfare books are very sensational and written more in a desire to sell books than to present a viable christian option.

I know its not catholic, but Greg Boyd's "God at War" and "Satan and the Problem of Evil" are very good academic books relating to the issue of spiritual warfare. But friend. I must ask, why focus on this? In the grand christian theme of things it is the worst thing to give attention to

[Guest SonOfAPirl]

The Rh, or Rhesus factor, of your blood depends on whether you have the Rh-D surface antigen. Those lacking the antigen are referred to as Rh negative.
As for blood types, same thing. If you have A, you have the A antigen, B, B antigen, AB, you have both, and o, you have neither.
So would you say that those with type o blood, that they are demons because they have no surface antigens?
My ex girlfriend is type o-, and she's close to being a demon, but if you're going by blood type, then wouldn't you be a demon if you are A+, B+, or AB+, since you HAVE the antigen?

Oh yeah, by the way dude, I'm a phlebotomist and lab tech at a blood plasma center, and we have many people of each blood type and RhD factor. I can tell you that blood type and Rhesus D factors have nothing to do with how evil a person is. It's all about heredity. If anything, I'd be less worried about how evil a person is and more concerned about what would happen if a man who is Rh+ and a woman who is Rh- have a baby.

here are some links for you to read

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_factor"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_factor[/url]
[url="http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/pregnancy_newborn/pregnancy/rh.html"]http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/pregnancy...egnancy/rh.html[/url]

Enjoy and God Bless!