Let The Demonization

[cmotherofpirl]

[zdog042]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1246277' date='Apr 16 2007, 07:30 PM']No matter which of Revprodeji's four criteria FullTruth meets, that is a remarkably strange thing to say. If he's misinformed (unlikey) he will feel that his misinformation has somehow been validated by your interest. If he's playing a joke, he will laugh harder. If he's suffering from a mental illness, your interest will fuel his belief in his delusions. If he is demon-possessed, this will provoke the devils.

Personally I think he's unwell. I also think we've heard as much as we need to hear about the nephilim. I vote that this thread be closed. It's not serving any purpose now.[/quote]

I guess I don't think it is such a weird thing to say. I want to know things, especially if what Revprodeji says is true and this is an old thing to say, I should know about it, where it came from, what surrounds it, so I am not taken by suprise by what people say. I am not wanting to know everything about it, just the basics so . I still don't know what sources were used. I guess I'll have to go to the source then.

Rev...don't make me whine....please show me your sources.....?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1246659' date='Apr 16 2007, 11:56 PM']I stress that as well. Check the sources of what you read. Much of the spiritual warfare books are very sensational and written more in a desire to sell books than to present a viable christian option.

I know its not catholic, but Greg Boyd's "God at War" and "Satan and the Problem of Evil" are very good academic books relating to the issue of spiritual warfare. But friend. I must ask, why focus on this? In the grand christian theme of things it is the worst thing to give attention to[/quote]
Actually,

The book I was reading wasn't very sensational, and more down to earth. It was written in the early 1900s, because the writter noticed some things Christians were practicing which resembled witchcraft.

I'm trying to learn it so I will have more competencies when it concerns on how to acknowledge what is of God, and what is not of God and I need to come against it in the name of Jesus Christ.

It doesn't concern anything about Nephilim, but general helping someone understand the true operations of God and how to prevent any deceptive spirit from coming to you. Who knows, after reading that, I may find that the things I learned from before were from demonic spirits, and I will take care of them, once and for all.

That is why I have become strict in bible reading, and following it's example right now, because the spirit of God and the word will always agree with each other. So instead of praying hardships away, I find something in scripture that will deal with the situation. If it isn't in the Bible, I won't follow allow it in my life.

Like the 7-day cleansing and 1-day fast against Pornography I just went through up to last Sunday. 16 days lust free! WOOT! Eat that devil! Nine-years of praying to God asking him to get rid of it for me, and then one week of obedience to his word, and then he is faithful.

I always knew God would do it eventually. I don't think you can be one of the two witnesses without a complete armour of God, and a competely circumsized heart.

[jckinsman]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1246722' date='Apr 16 2007, 11:18 PM']Actually,

The book I was reading wasn't very sensational, and more down to earth. It was written in the early 1900s, because the writter noticed some things Christians were practicing which resembled witchcraft.

I'm trying to learn it so I will have more competencies when it concerns on how to acknowledge what is of God, and what is not of God and I need to come against it in the name of Jesus Christ.

It doesn't concern anything about Nephilim, but general helping someone understand the true operations of God and how to prevent any deceptive spirit from coming to you. Who knows, after reading that, I may find that the things I learned from before were from demonic spirits, and I will take care of them, once and for all.

That is why I have become strict in bible reading, and following it's example right now, because the spirit of God and the word will always agree with each other. So instead of praying hardships away, I find something in scripture that will deal with the situation. If it isn't in the Bible, I won't follow allow it in my life.

Like the 7-day cleansing and 1-day fast against Pornography I just went through up to last Sunday. 16 days lust free! WOOT! Eat that devil! Nine-years of praying to God asking him to get rid of it for me, and then one week of obedience to his word, and then he is faithful.

I always knew God would do it eventually. I don't think you can be one of the two witnesses without a complete armour of God, and a competely circumsized heart.[/quote]

Praise God,That you are fighting that battle against Pornography! It is truly an Evil! I read somewhere that you could feed the ENTIRE world on what the United States alone spends on Pornography! Congratulations! I have to admit FT,I did not know what YHWH was! Curious as I was I looked it up............You have said some pretty odd things, maybe misunderstood........But odd! I was wondering if you actually go to that church or you just subscibe to that way of thinking?????? After reading all of the stuff on YHWH, My first thoughts were sadness ! When will it ever end? The splitting and division of Gods People? You can never ask a catholic (who truly knows his faith,through Gods grace) To believe what you( or I should say your "church") are saying. For you are asking us to believe" less" then what we already know to be true! Without any Authority my Freind, there can never be unity,without unity there can never be Christ! After all, HE did call us to unity. Free will allows for mistakes(that is why I love holy mother church)Mt 18:17-18 col 1:18 Jn 10:16 Jn15:16 Mt 28:18-20 1 tim 3:15 Mt 16:18 Mt 16:19 Mal 2:7. 1 cor 11:2 2 thess 2:15 2 thess 3:6 Hey lets not forget about Jn21;25 2 tim2:2 2 Pet 1:20 etc......
....I know.......you may not understand all that catholics do and think.There has to be some verses in that bible of yours that you are puzzled by. Maybe not....Eh????? I do not know your walk! But I do know this, what I read, tells me alot about the way you think! Many blessings! JC

Edited April 17, 2007 by jckinsman

[FullTruth]

[quote name='jckinsman' post='1247223' date='Apr 17 2007, 04:32 PM']Praise God,That you are fighting that battle against Pornography! It is truly an Evil! I read somewhere that you could feed the ENTIRE world on what the United States alone spends on Pornography! Congratulations! I have to admit FT,I did not know what YHWH was! Curious as I was I looked it up............You have said some pretty odd things, maybe misunderstood........But odd! I was wondering if you actually go to that church or you just subscibe to that way of thinking?????? After reading all of the stuff on YHWH, My first thoughts were sadness ! When will it ever end? The splitting and division of Gods People? You can never ask a catholic (who truly knows his faith,through Gods grace) To believe what you( or I should say your "church") are saying. For you are asking us to believe" less" then what we already know to be true! Without any Authority my Freind, there can never be unity,without unity there can never be Christ! After all, HE did call us to unity. Free will allows for mistakes(that is why I love holy mother church)Mt 18:17-18 col 1:18 Jn 10:16 Jn15:16 Mt 28:18-20 1 tim 3:15 Mt 16:18 Mt 16:19 Mal 2:7. 1 cor 11:2 2 thess 2:15 2 thess 3:6 Hey lets not forget about Jn21;25 2 tim2:2 2 Pet 1:20 etc......
....I know.......you may not understand all that catholics do and think.There has to be some verses in that bible of yours that you are puzzled by. Maybe not....Eh????? I do not know your walk! But I do know this, what I read, tells me alot about the way you think! Many blessings! JC[/quote]
Thanks for the vote of confidence about my struggle. The credit should go all to God because it was his word that gave me the revelation as to what I needed to do to get rid of it. I think there will be a book on that testimony eventually, but not right now.

Do I go to a church that subscribes to what I am talking about. No. If Nephilim do exist, do you think they would want a church who is teaching things about them, and how to fight them? That's not going to happen ever. They are afraid of true believers who are willing to do anything to please God, renouncing everything, because above all else, I MUST BE SAVED! That is the cry of my heart continually. Whatever I need to get rid of, take it away from me, because I don't want to be without you.

I'm going through all the Bible right now, KJV. I'm reading 7 chapters a day on days I work, and 21+ chapters on days I am not working. Right now, I think I have a good handle on what is being said, because the holy spirit is guiding me to understand what is being said in God's word.

I've read certain passages out of the Catholic Bible, and they love putting extra influence in their scriptures, which I believe are adding to the meaning of the Bible, IMHO.

[N/A Gone]

[quote name='zdog042' post='1246720' date='Apr 16 2007, 11:18 PM']I guess I don't think it is such a weird thing to say. I want to know things, especially [b]if what Revprodeji says is true [/b]and this is an old thing to say, I should know about it, where it came from, what surrounds it, so I am not taken by suprise by what people say. I am not wanting to know everything about it, just the basics so . I still don't know what sources were used. I guess I'll have to go to the source then.

[b]Rev...don't make me whine....please show me your sources.....?[/b][/quote]



you know to much. I might have to kill you...

[Budge]

[url="http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/"]CHRISTIAN STUDY OF NEPHILIM[/url]

I think FullGrace may have been affected by all these websites on line that reveal the Nephlilim many of them are full of mixture of truth and lies, and some definitely have an aura of evil meant to deceive even openly or more convertly...ie the nephilim researchers that pretend to be Christians or the occultists who are open about their dismissal of Jesus Christ saying EVERY RELIGION on earth has been invented by the Annakuki.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1247993' date='Apr 18 2007, 01:00 PM'][url="http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/"]CHRISTIAN STUDY OF NEPHILIM[/url]

I think FullGrace may have been affected by all these websites on line that reveal the Nephlilim many of them are full of mixture of truth and lies, and some definitely have an aura of evil meant to deceive even openly or more convertly...ie the nephilim researchers that pretend to be Christians or the occultists who are open about their dismissal of Jesus Christ saying EVERY RELIGION on earth has been invented by the Annakuki.[/quote]
So they are in the same category as chick carp.

[prose]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1246618' date='Apr 16 2007, 09:35 PM']I will definitely consider what you have said.

There will come a time friend, as according to scripture and the will of God I will close windows of heaven, so that it will not rain for 3 and a 1/2 years while I engage in the greatest spiritual battle that I will have to fight. All I have to do now is find my old mentor, and tell him, even though we both sinned greatly before the Lord, his ministry with me has not ended.[/quote]

Umm... Seriously. You need help.

And this thread I think is adding to your imbalance.

By the way, I do not have the blood type you refer to. I do, however, have my psychology degree, and you really seem to fit many, if not all, of hte symptoms of schizophrenia. I am sorry, but I also think that everyone responding the way they have in this thread is making things worse, not better for you.

[jckinsman]

You would KNOW where his is COMING from if you read the YHWH website! Its very INTERESTING! (Coupled with mania) >So I'am not sure if you can add to anything else that is going on in his head! Hopefully Christ will..............all things are possible through God! Keep praying! JC

[jenn91988]

Erm...I'm A positive...what on earth is rH blood? I've never heard of this. Seems a bit...weird.

[toledo_jesus]

somebody close this stupid thread down.

FullTruth, you need to take a step back from all the grand ideas and realize that life is not a movie. That may be hard when you are convinced that what I'm saying is part of a conspiracy. But I have no interest in your well-being at all. Though, after the events at Virginia Tech I am less inclined to ignore ideas like the ones you seem to have.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Deo gratias' post='1248151' date='Apr 18 2007, 04:09 PM']Erm...I'm A positive...what on earth is rH blood? I've never heard of this. Seems a bit...weird.[/quote]
People either have Rh + or - blood.

[cmotherofpirl]

If you read the thread it is explained on page two.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='prose' post='1248083' date='Apr 18 2007, 03:06 PM']Umm... Seriously. You need help.

And this thread I think is adding to your imbalance.

By the way, I do not have the blood type you refer to. I do, however, have my psychology degree, and you really seem to fit many, if not all, of hte symptoms of schizophrenia. I am sorry, but I also think that everyone responding the way they have in this thread is making things worse, not better for you.[/quote]
Why do I need help?

The Lord justifies my walk. If you want to mock me, then let the Lord Judge between me and you. I am confident about his judgement, how about you?

Maybe I am schizophrenic. Who knows. I never said I that couldn't be the case. With this world, anything could be the case. I maybe even demonically possessed right now, and not really know it.

At least I don't hear voices in my head. God always talks to me through his word. I will read something, like Leviticus, and get the impression if I enter into a 7 day purification cycle with a 1 day fast God will release me from the hold of pornography, which he has - 18 days lust free. Eat that Devil! But I could be just Schizophrenic, and I might be reading too much into God's word. He doesn't do anything like that, does he Prose. He can't inspire someone to trust his word, and totally change their life. God doesn't work like that, does he.

Oh well, I will never read the response to this post, because I really want to say good bye to all of you.

I recommend you to learn from the milk I have presented in other threads. If you are struggling with Sin, please read my post on how to defeat sin in your life.

If you are facing difficulties in life, please read my post on why the apostles didn't recognize Jesus while they were talking about his death.

If you find yourself in unfamiliar territory, remember all things work for God for those who love God and are called according to his purpose.

Edited April 19, 2007 by FullTruth

[jckinsman]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' post='1248467' date='Apr 18 2007, 08:29 PM']somebody close this stupid thread down.

FullTruth, you need to take a step back from all the grand ideas and realize that life is not a movie. That may be hard when you are convinced that what I'm saying is part of a conspiracy. But I have no interest in your well-being at all. Though, after the events at Virginia Tech I am less inclined to ignore ideas like the ones you seem to have.[/quote]
I will have to say,you never know people these days! Beyond our ignorance we still must have responsibility (you are right)! I am new to PM, one of the first people I responded to was "fulltruth". (Not Knowing all he had already written about) I think that mania would be a correct diagnosis. I do think that any strange and threatening things,these days, should NOT be taken lightly ! Please remember though, God changes things, He changes hearts and minds! If "Fulltruth" is "sick",(there is very little doubt,something is going on) must we not be praying for him??? How hard is it for us to do that? This is where we carry our crosses right?? Is He "worthy" of the Lamb? Are we? God bless,JC

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]At least I don't hear voices in my head. God always talks to me through his word. I will read something, like Leviticus, and get the impression if I enter into a 7 day purification cycle with a 1 day fast God will release me from the hold of pornography, which he has - 18 days lust free. Eat that Devil! But I could be just Schizophrenic, and I might be reading too much into God's word. He doesn't do anything like that, does he Prose. He can't inspire someone to trust his word, and totally change their life. God doesn't work like that, does he.[/quote]

FullTruth, there are several different types of schizophrenia. Not everybody with schizophrenia 'hears voices' - there is a substantial proportion of people with this illness who don't have any hallucinations at all.

You seem to be assuming that [i]either[/i] you have a relationship with God [i]or[/i] you have a mental illness. But it is quite possible to have both. I know a young boy who has a severe form of schizophrenia. He is one of the gentlest and most prayerful children I've ever come across. But he is also very ill.

I can accept that God freed you from an addiction to pornography at your prayer, as this fits perfectly with what we know of Him. He is the merciful Healer. But all your conspiracy theories about Nephilim and other paranoid ideas go at right angles to the Gospel. They bear no resemblance to the Jesus Whom we see there, or to the methods of revelation that God has used throughout the ages. They can't be trusted.

There is an unfortunate prejudice against mental illnesses that states that they are either less legitimate than physical illnesses or somehow worthy of shame. Neither of those things are true. If you love God, you can afford to challenge yourself. If you love God, go to the doctor.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]But I have no interest in your well-being at all.[/quote]

And I would like to add that it is often unhelpful and deliberately unkind remarks like that that prevent people with mental health problems from seeking appropriate help.

[Budge]

Why is everyone trying to throw a psychological diagnosis at this guy ignoring spiritual ramfications?

If he's inviting demons to "fight" him he isnt exactly going to be under good influences.

Ive seen those sites he hangs out on, I could see someone without the foundation of God's Word getting all sorts of wrong ideas.

[cmotherofpirl]

and you hang out at chick carp sites... do you really think your opinion is valid on that topic???

FT you may or may not have issues you need to deal with. It never hurts to consult a doctor or pastor about such things. We are not shrinks nor qualified to have an actual medical opinion, but a talk with with a professional can't hurt.