onlygrace08 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 [quote name='EJames' post='1285533' date='May 31 2007, 11:03 PM'][img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/53571_vk0km/suore_gioco02.jpg[/img][/quote] so joyful!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJames Posted June 5, 2007 Author Share Posted June 5, 2007 (edited) Carmelites of The Child Jesus (Contemplatives ,who have a small children's apostolate.) Montpelier,France [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/62852_0qen8/carmelites%20MonTpeilleir.jpg[/img] Edited June 5, 2007 by EJames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJames Posted June 5, 2007 Author Share Posted June 5, 2007 The Carmelite Nuns of Dijon(n.France) yes the same Carmel where St. Elizabeth of the Trinity lived (new buildings though) The Friars are in the congregation behind ,attending the festivities of the Anniversary of death of Blessed Elizabeth of Trinity [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/62853_y5j0r/Carmelites%20Dijon%20feast.jpg[/img] Prioress of Dijon Carmel gives a conference on prayer and Elizabeth of The Trinity [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/62854_2ra94/prioress%20carmel%20Dijon.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJames Posted June 5, 2007 Author Share Posted June 5, 2007 Redemptoristine Nuns, Australia [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/62851_vyohu/redemptoristines%20Aus.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJames Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 The Contemplative Sisters of St John(white Veils), and Apostolic,grey,Praying Midday Prayer with the Brothers of ST John at thier Novitiate in France. [img]http://accel19.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/06/38/47/pour-prier/moines_et_moniales.jpg[/img] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- a new apostolic Sister of St John, in her new habit , first vows.. [img]http://accel10.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/06/38/47/consecration-1.jpg[/img] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [img]http://jgdebraux.free.fr/images/Prof%20sol%20Sr%20Armelle.JPG[/img] Cistercians ------------------------------------------ Dominican Sisters in Canada [img]http://www.dominicains.ca/actualites/Photos/moniales3a.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sr Mary Catharine OP Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 [quote name='EJames' post='1290096' date='Jun 7 2007, 03:43 AM']The Contemplative Sisters of St John(white Veils), and Apostolic,grey,Praying Midday Prayer with the Brothers of ST John at thier Novitiate in France. [img]http://accel19.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/06/38/47/pour-prier/moines_et_moniales.jpg[/img] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- a new apostolic Sister of St John, in her new habit , first vows.. [img]http://accel10.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/06/38/47/consecration-1.jpg[/img] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [img]http://jgdebraux.free.fr/images/Prof%20sol%20Sr%20Armelle.JPG[/img] Cistercians ------------------------------------------ Dominican Sisters in Canada [img]http://www.dominicains.ca/actualites/Photos/moniales3a.jpg[/img][/quote] Actually those are moniales, nuns. Thanks for posting this photo of our nuns in Canada. They have trouble getting vocations because of the religious climate in Canada. Although they mostly speak French they are part of our Association of the Nuns of the Order of Preachers and come to our meeting every 4 years. They are always a joy to have with us, especially Sr. Julie and Sr. Micheline. Again, their "style" is more of that of the European monasteries than of the US, but in essentials we are all alike! It's wonderful; you can go to any OP monastery in the world and feel right at home immediately. I know because I've had this experience. Thanks for this continuing "supply" of photos. It's so much fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJames Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1290143' date='Jun 7 2007, 06:29 AM']Actually those are moniales, nuns. Thanks for posting this photo of our nuns in Canada. They have trouble getting vocations because of the religious climate in Canada. Although they mostly speak French they are part of our Association of the Nuns of the Order of Preachers and come to our meeting every 4 years. They are always a joy to have with us, especially Sr. Julie and Sr. Micheline. Again, their "style" is more of that of the European monasteries than of the US, but in essentials we are all alike! It's wonderful; you can go to any OP monastery in the world and feel right at home immediately. I know because I've had this experience. Thanks for this continuing "supply" of photos. It's so much fun![/quote] Thank-you Sister...i usually dont put 'Moniales' (the french word for Nuns literally- female monks), because most folks wouldnt know French..and yes, i do liberally interchange Nuns and Sisters (incorrectly),too often. Yet, arent you a Nun? and we call you Sister.? it does drive me nuts when people call Friars ,'monks' though..... a Nun is also a sister, but a Sister isnt a Nun?...\pax! Emile-James i am trying to find pics of The Dominican Nuns next to me here in Langley Edited June 7, 2007 by EJames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lords sheep Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Sr. Mary Catherine, What is the difference between European and American monasteries? I don't really have any experience with either, but I was just curious. Thanks! In Jesus and Mary, Lauren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='EJames' post='1290292' date='Jun 7 2007, 11:09 AM']a Nun is also a sister, but a Sister isnt a Nun?...\pax! Emile-James[/quote] As I understand it, a nun is a religious sister that takes Solemn Vows and is enclosed, while a religious sister takes simple/perpetual vows and is not formally a nun, though generally speaking, she can be called nun, as we in the US interchange the two a lot. It does confuse me though, because once when I was telling someone about the Sisters of Bethlehem they were saying to me, why don't you just become a nun. She kept asking me, but do they take Solemn Vows? Well, I guess not - they take Final Vows. But is it that big of a difference in the eyes of God? As I understand it, Solemn Vows are something only nuns in an established Order (with a capitol "O") can take. But an order like the Sisters of Bethlehem does not have that status, so they take Final Vows. They are a Religious Institute of Pontifical Right though. I asked a sister at Livingston Manor about it, and she said it's the same thing - Solemn Vows / Final Vows. I also asked a great priest once, and he was saying he thinks it's more of a canonical thing. I think what matters in this is what the vows mean before God, and not man. And now some pictures from Les Voirons. I love this sister! I met her when I was on retreat there! [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6445/2601/1600/HPIM4365%20(Medium).3.jpg[/img] Edited June 7, 2007 by Margaret Clare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6445/2601/1600/HPIM4363%20(Medium).0.jpg[/img] From - [url="http://catholicmemories.blogspot.com/2006/10/sisters-of-bethlehem.html"]Memories of a Catholic Wife and Mother[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sr Mary Catharine OP Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 [quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1290405' date='Jun 7 2007, 05:17 PM']As I understand it, a nun is a religious sister that takes Solemn Vows and is enclosed, while a religious sister takes simple/perpetual vows and is not formally a nun, though generally speaking, she can be called nun, as we in the US interchange the two a lot. It does confuse me though, because once when I was telling someone about the Sisters of Bethlehem they were saying to me, why don't you just become a nun. She kept asking me, but do they take Solemn Vows? Well, I guess not - they take Final Vows. But is it that big of a difference in the eyes of God? As I understand it, Solemn Vows are something only nuns in an established Order (with a capitol "O") can take. But an order like the Sisters of Bethlehem does not have that status, so they take Final Vows. They are a Religious Institute of Pontifical Right though. I asked a sister at Livingston Manor about it, and she said it's the same thing - Solemn Vows / Final Vows. I also asked a great priest once, and he was saying he thinks it's more of a canonical thing. I think what matters in this is what the vows mean before God, and not man. And now some pictures from Les Voirons. I love this sister! I met her when I was on retreat there! [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6445/2601/1600/HPIM4365%20(Medium).3.jpg[/img][/quote] Actually the difference between Solemn Vows and perpetual vows is more than canonical. According to the new code of canon law there is no difference unless stipulated in the constitutions. I recently learned that the OMI's make solemn vows. Solemn Profession is more than just about poverty, ie. one don't only can't acquire goods one doesn't own anything, whereas with perpetual vows one actually continues to own but doesn't have the right to adminster one's goods. According to natural law every person has the right to own goods. We give up this natural right by Solemn Profession. With Solemn profession if one would run off and get married it would be invalid whereas with perpetual vows it's illicit. OK. That sounds very dry and dull but it has deeper practical implications. Only the Pope can dispense NOT from the vow in solemn profession but from the obligations. Solemn Profession is a total holocaust between the person and God and even the Pope can't undo this. What one is saying with Solemn Profession is that one completely hands oneself over to God. Yes, essentially it's what matters is before God but we are creatures of body and soul and don't live in the mind although the modern world things so. So, we express this total self gift, total holocaust in a physical, created way. Let's face it; "that's mine" is something that seems to be ingrained in us from the day we were born! By Solemn Profession GOD consecrates and we in a new way we become His! The "stuff" of ownership and non-ownership is the expression of saying to God, "I belong to you; you must take care of me." Our profession is an ecclesial act. It's accept and ratified by the Church, it's not just a thing between me and God. It's really too bad the the new Code didn't continue this distinction because there is a difference. It doesn't make a person in solemn vows better than someone in perpetual vows but it's a real distinction. It's ABSOLUTELY a gift of God. We tend to use "moniales" to talk about the OP nuns as Sisters means the apostolic congregations. And yes, it's confusing because we call ourselves Sisters. The first nuns of Prouilhe were called "ladies". Hmmm. I don't think that would go today! We were also called the Sister Preacheresses. Lauren the European monasteries tend to be more broad about enclosure. Many don't have material separation and many have guest houses, hostels which means more interaction with the public. Many will have the public join them for the Liturgy. Their Offices also tend to have more musical instruments like zithers. Many of them have an industry like cookie making. And a lot of them wear those ugly kerchief style veils! They always fall off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Hey, thanks for the reply Sr. Mary Catharine. That's very informative. I guess my only question remains, I know that if the Sisters of Bethlehem could have Solemn Vows, they would. They live the wholly contemplative life and completely abandon themselves to God in this same way. But the reason their vows aren't solemn is because they're a Religious Institute and not an Order. I would want to completely give my life over to God in Solemn Vows, and I'm sure all the Sisters of Bethlehem would feel the same way too, like the Carmelites or Poor Clares or Dominican Nuns. They definitely live the monastic life to the full, without compromise. I do wish the Church could grant religious institutes such as them the privilge of Solemn Vows. But for some reasons it's only for the nuns in Orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Sorry to hijack the thread though, with the discussion on nuns & sisters. Sr. MC's response was very informative though! Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sr Mary Catharine OP Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 [quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1290598' date='Jun 7 2007, 11:05 PM']Sorry to hijack the thread though, with the discussion on nuns & sisters. Sr. MC's response was very informative though! Thank you!![/quote] I just had a correspondence with a priest who said that according to the 83 Code there IS NO distinction between Final/perpetual and Solemn and that one could have the act of renounciation that we have with Solemn Vows with Simple vows if the it's in the Constitutions of the institute. However, I was not taught it quite this way but he may be right. Believe it or not, now I'M confused! Will do a little more research and get some advice and let you know. Again, dont' mean to highjack. I'll do a separate thread. God bless! SMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lords sheep Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 [img]http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/pics/cell.jpg[/img] Carmelite S.O.L.T. Sisters: [img]http://www.soltsisters.org/images/Mayon%20Philippina%20Sisters.JPG[/img] Sisters of Perpetual Adoration (AK) [img]http://monestaryoftheblessedsacrament.com/index_files/image074.jpg[/img] [img]http://monestaryoftheblessedsacrament.com/index_files/image068.jpg[/img] Carmelite Sisters of the Divine Heart of Jesus: [img]http://www.carmelitedcj.org/life/community.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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