EJames Posted June 1, 2007 Author Posted June 1, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Maria' post='1285699' date='May 31 2007, 10:36 PM']I saw two of them tonight at our cathedral (diocesan feast day and celebration of our cardinal's 25th anniversary of ordination to the episcopacy).[/quote] Really? are you sure they weren't [b]Contemplative Sisters of St John[/b]?(white veil ,dark grey habit[img]http://www.stjean.com/france/france/images/photos_souvigny_04/veillee007.jpg[/img] ) i didn't think they had any Apostolic Sisters in Quebec.? pax Edited June 1, 2007 by EJames
EJames Posted June 1, 2007 Author Posted June 1, 2007 (edited) [quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1285757' date='Jun 1 2007, 07:32 AM']cool ,where are they located?[/quote] if you mean the Sisters she saw at the Cathedral? that would have Been in Montreal, since the Contemplative Sisters of St John are located juts north of Montreal, Quebec. The Apostolic, Sisters of St. John, as pictured in the earlier post are located in; Belgium (at the Shrine of Banneux) 11 places in France 4 African Countries and the Philippines.. they also are making regular visits to Orange, New Jersey, so you never know whats going to happen.. pax!! [img]http://catholique-lepuy.cef.fr/actualites/reportages/report_i/stjean_03.jpg[/img][img]http://catholique-lepuy.cef.fr/actualites/reportages/report_i/stjean_05.jpg[/img][img]http://catholique-lepuy.cef.fr/actualites/reportages/report_i/stjean_06.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.stjean.com/france/france/images/la81.jpg[/img] Edited June 1, 2007 by EJames
EJames Posted June 1, 2007 Author Posted June 1, 2007 [quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1283588' date='May 29 2007, 02:37 PM']Who are these sisters? The name of the community, I mean.[/quote] Pax! Well they are dressed exactly like the 'Marian Sisters of Israel and St. John', in the Dioceses of Lyon, France, but its odd they are out and about, since i knew them to be very penitential, and practically hermit like....the Bishop and primate of France suppressed them 3 years ago? the Foundress was a bit, lets say, off her rocker..but.. perhaps a little group has prevailed ,regathered and straightened things out?
Chiquitunga Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 [quote name='EJames']Pax! Well they are dressed exactly like the 'Marian Sisters of Israel and St. John', in the Dioceses of Lyon, France, but its odd they are out and about, since i knew them to be very penitential, and practically hermit like....the Bishop and primate of France suppressed them 3 years ago? the Foundress was a bit, lets say, off her rocker..but.. perhaps a little group has prevailed ,regathered and straightened things out?[/quote] Yeah, I've heard of this community too and how they were suppressed, because of the problems with the Mother foundress. Their habits were just like the Apostolic Srs of St. John, except blue. Maybe they were out for a special occasion/pilgrimage to Lourdes. Probably this picture of the sisters is an old one. I can't find the article online where I read about them, but I remember it said at the end that several other orders were ready to receive the sisters from this suppressed community, so that's good.
Maria Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 [quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1285757' date='Jun 1 2007, 10:32 AM']cool ,where are they located?[/quote] I think they said there were in[url="http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=&city=st+jerome&state=QC&zipcode="] St. Jerome[/url]. If you click on the link, you'll see that it's northwest of Montreal. [quote name='EJames' post='1285775' date='Jun 1 2007, 11:42 AM']Really? are you sure they weren't [b]Contemplative Sisters of St John[/b]?(white veil ,dark grey habit ) i didn't think they had any Apostolic Sisters in Quebec.? pax[/quote] [quote name='EJames' post='1285794' date='Jun 1 2007, 12:03 PM']if you mean the Sisters she saw at the Cathedral? that would have Been in Montreal, since the Contemplative Sisters of St John are located juts north of Montreal, Quebec. The Apostolic, Sisters of St. John, as pictured in the earlier post are located in; Belgium (at the Shrine of Banneux) 11 places in France 4 African Countries and the Philippines.. they also are making regular visits to Orange, New Jersey, so you never know whats going to happen.. pax!![/quote] I remember them saying something about being sœurs de St. Jean. I remember them saying they were in St. Jerome , that their order was a new one, that their founder was a Dominican, and that they had been in St. Jerome for (about 10 yrs, can't remember the exact number they gave). Their habits were pale grey and they wore white wimples. In fact, they looked like the sisters in this pictures: [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/53569_siu6e/Apostolic%20Sistersof%20St%20John%20France.jpg[/img] and not like the ones in this picture [img]http://www.stjean.com/france/france/images/photos_souvigny_04/veillee007.jpg[/img] ________________________________________________________________________________________ However, thanks to the French wikipedia and this line in it: "Les sœurs contemplatives portent en plus un voile blanc et les sœurs apostoliques un voile gris", I can agree that they were the contemplative sisters. When I read that line I remembered noticing their white veils because they're sewn in back. Um, that wasn't a good description... let's see... to help the veil sit properly, there's a vertical seam down the part of the veil that doesn't sit on top of the head, that runs down the back of the head and neck. It's a little like the seams that are sewn to tailor a bust. It probably helps keep the veil neatly on her back as opposed to floating around everywhere, and on her head because it now has some of the advantages of a hood. The middle picture here can give you some idea. [img]http://www.stjean.com/imgs/cadre_haut.jpg[/img] I found their contact info, and it is St. Jerome that they're in! 524, rue de l’Epée, Saint-Jérôme, Québec, J7Y-3V7. Tél. : 001450-569-0620. Fax : 001450-569-0935.. Tél. : 001450-569-0620. Fax : 001450-569-0935. But they still don't look like these sisters [img]http://www.stjean.com/france/france/images/photos_souvigny_04/veillee007.jpg[/img]
Sr Mary Catharine OP Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 The apostolic sisters are in the midst of starting a foundation in S. Orange, NJ. This from the priest who is the liason helping them get established so I think the source can be trusted! :-)
EJames Posted June 1, 2007 Author Posted June 1, 2007 (edited) But they still don't look like these sisters [img]http://www.stjean.com/france/france/images/photos_souvigny_04/veillee007.jpg[/img] [/quote] Yes in St Jerome they are Contemplative Sisters of St John, i didnt choose the best Pictures for them as this one is made up of 80% Novices, hence no whipple, youll notice one or 2 Sisters on the background with full veil, fully professed..also, even the Contemplative Sisters in hot countries and hot weather, as the Brothers, wear a thinner light-grey habit. SO to sum up simply.. =Apostolic Srs of St. John, grey veil (whipple for professed) =Contemplative Sisters of St. John, white veil(whipple for professed) pax!!! Edited June 1, 2007 by EJames
EJames Posted June 1, 2007 Author Posted June 1, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1285881' date='Jun 1 2007, 11:11 AM']Yeah, I've heard of this community too and how they were suppressed, because of the problems with the Mother foundress. Their habits were just like the Apostolic Srs of St. John, except blue. Maybe they were out for a special occasion/pilgrimage to Lourdes. Probably this picture of the sisters is an old one. I can't find the article online where I read about them, but I remember it said at the end that several other orders were ready to receive the sisters from this suppressed community, so that's good.[/quote] actually that photo is from a Diocesan Pilgrimage last year at Lourdes...so, hence the confusion...an American friend of mine,. who was a Sister of them ,who transfered from the Bethlehem Nuns Community in Livingston manor,(for a more austere!! life and to be closer to teachings of FR Phillipe)..i have not heard from her for a long time..so...anything is possible. Edited June 1, 2007 by EJames
EJames Posted June 3, 2007 Author Posted June 3, 2007 Sisters of St John (contemplative-professed) [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/57349_3yukw/srs%20de%20stjean0002.JPG[/img]
onlygrace08 Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 [quote name='EJames' post='1285533' date='May 31 2007, 11:03 PM'][img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/53571_vk0km/suore_gioco02.jpg[/img][/quote] so joyful!!!
EJames Posted June 5, 2007 Author Posted June 5, 2007 (edited) Carmelites of The Child Jesus (Contemplatives ,who have a small children's apostolate.) Montpelier,France [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/62852_0qen8/carmelites%20MonTpeilleir.jpg[/img] Edited June 5, 2007 by EJames
EJames Posted June 5, 2007 Author Posted June 5, 2007 The Carmelite Nuns of Dijon(n.France) yes the same Carmel where St. Elizabeth of the Trinity lived (new buildings though) The Friars are in the congregation behind ,attending the festivities of the Anniversary of death of Blessed Elizabeth of Trinity [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/62853_y5j0r/Carmelites%20Dijon%20feast.jpg[/img] Prioress of Dijon Carmel gives a conference on prayer and Elizabeth of The Trinity [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/62854_2ra94/prioress%20carmel%20Dijon.jpg[/img]
EJames Posted June 5, 2007 Author Posted June 5, 2007 Redemptoristine Nuns, Australia [img]http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/62851_vyohu/redemptoristines%20Aus.jpg[/img]
EJames Posted June 7, 2007 Author Posted June 7, 2007 The Contemplative Sisters of St John(white Veils), and Apostolic,grey,Praying Midday Prayer with the Brothers of ST John at thier Novitiate in France. [img]http://accel19.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/06/38/47/pour-prier/moines_et_moniales.jpg[/img] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- a new apostolic Sister of St John, in her new habit , first vows.. [img]http://accel10.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/06/38/47/consecration-1.jpg[/img] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [img]http://jgdebraux.free.fr/images/Prof%20sol%20Sr%20Armelle.JPG[/img] Cistercians ------------------------------------------ Dominican Sisters in Canada [img]http://www.dominicains.ca/actualites/Photos/moniales3a.jpg[/img]
Sr Mary Catharine OP Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 [quote name='EJames' post='1290096' date='Jun 7 2007, 03:43 AM']The Contemplative Sisters of St John(white Veils), and Apostolic,grey,Praying Midday Prayer with the Brothers of ST John at thier Novitiate in France. [img]http://accel19.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/06/38/47/pour-prier/moines_et_moniales.jpg[/img] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- a new apostolic Sister of St John, in her new habit , first vows.. [img]http://accel10.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/06/38/47/consecration-1.jpg[/img] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [img]http://jgdebraux.free.fr/images/Prof%20sol%20Sr%20Armelle.JPG[/img] Cistercians ------------------------------------------ Dominican Sisters in Canada [img]http://www.dominicains.ca/actualites/Photos/moniales3a.jpg[/img][/quote] Actually those are moniales, nuns. Thanks for posting this photo of our nuns in Canada. They have trouble getting vocations because of the religious climate in Canada. Although they mostly speak French they are part of our Association of the Nuns of the Order of Preachers and come to our meeting every 4 years. They are always a joy to have with us, especially Sr. Julie and Sr. Micheline. Again, their "style" is more of that of the European monasteries than of the US, but in essentials we are all alike! It's wonderful; you can go to any OP monastery in the world and feel right at home immediately. I know because I've had this experience. Thanks for this continuing "supply" of photos. It's so much fun!
EJames Posted June 7, 2007 Author Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1290143' date='Jun 7 2007, 06:29 AM']Actually those are moniales, nuns. Thanks for posting this photo of our nuns in Canada. They have trouble getting vocations because of the religious climate in Canada. Although they mostly speak French they are part of our Association of the Nuns of the Order of Preachers and come to our meeting every 4 years. They are always a joy to have with us, especially Sr. Julie and Sr. Micheline. Again, their "style" is more of that of the European monasteries than of the US, but in essentials we are all alike! It's wonderful; you can go to any OP monastery in the world and feel right at home immediately. I know because I've had this experience. Thanks for this continuing "supply" of photos. It's so much fun![/quote] Thank-you Sister...i usually dont put 'Moniales' (the french word for Nuns literally- female monks), because most folks wouldnt know French..and yes, i do liberally interchange Nuns and Sisters (incorrectly),too often. Yet, arent you a Nun? and we call you Sister.? it does drive me nuts when people call Friars ,'monks' though..... a Nun is also a sister, but a Sister isnt a Nun?...\pax! Emile-James i am trying to find pics of The Dominican Nuns next to me here in Langley Edited June 7, 2007 by EJames
the lords sheep Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Sr. Mary Catherine, What is the difference between European and American monasteries? I don't really have any experience with either, but I was just curious. Thanks! In Jesus and Mary, Lauren
Chiquitunga Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='EJames' post='1290292' date='Jun 7 2007, 11:09 AM']a Nun is also a sister, but a Sister isnt a Nun?...\pax! Emile-James[/quote] As I understand it, a nun is a religious sister that takes Solemn Vows and is enclosed, while a religious sister takes simple/perpetual vows and is not formally a nun, though generally speaking, she can be called nun, as we in the US interchange the two a lot. It does confuse me though, because once when I was telling someone about the Sisters of Bethlehem they were saying to me, why don't you just become a nun. She kept asking me, but do they take Solemn Vows? Well, I guess not - they take Final Vows. But is it that big of a difference in the eyes of God? As I understand it, Solemn Vows are something only nuns in an established Order (with a capitol "O") can take. But an order like the Sisters of Bethlehem does not have that status, so they take Final Vows. They are a Religious Institute of Pontifical Right though. I asked a sister at Livingston Manor about it, and she said it's the same thing - Solemn Vows / Final Vows. I also asked a great priest once, and he was saying he thinks it's more of a canonical thing. I think what matters in this is what the vows mean before God, and not man. And now some pictures from Les Voirons. I love this sister! I met her when I was on retreat there! [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6445/2601/1600/HPIM4365%20(Medium).3.jpg[/img] Edited June 7, 2007 by Margaret Clare
Chiquitunga Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6445/2601/1600/HPIM4363%20(Medium).0.jpg[/img] From - [url="http://catholicmemories.blogspot.com/2006/10/sisters-of-bethlehem.html"]Memories of a Catholic Wife and Mother[/url]
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