Benedict To Canonize Brazilian Folk Magician

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='prose' post='1269351' date='May 9 2007, 03:50 PM']Are you going to respond to this?[/quote]
You'll have to wait. budge is vacationing.

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]Yes, in fact, as I read that I was making my own magic pills.[/quote]


props for the funny.

[HollyDolly]

I agree with Cardnial Lorscheinder in Budge's article that the magic pills is indeed a ridiculous devotion and yes the nuns are disobedient for continuing to make them.
I think I understand the point Budge is trying to make about the canonization.The magic pills are a very peculair devotion and have nothing to do with Jesus and His teachings to the apostles. IF Father Antonio Galvao did instruct people to make them ,etc,then one could by rights say this was a form of heresy and goes against I would think the teachings of the Church .

I know it is a long process to sainthood.I know also the life of the candidate is closely examined,or used to be.There was even the office of the Devil's Advocate in these cases,who argued why a person might not be worthy to become a saint.

With the business of the falling off of Catholics in Brazil,what the vatican hopes to achieve by this canonization or declaring Galvao Blessed is to try to give brazilians a sense of pride in the church amongst other things and therefore perhasp slowly reverse the losses there.Better religious instruction from cradle to grave would be more effective in my opinion.
The church has neglected the poor and lower middle class in Latin America,hence the inroads fundementalists have made in Central and South America.What religious instruction they recieve if any,I have no idea.

I don't think Budge would have a problem with Rose Hawthorne Lathrop.I believe her cause is before Rome.She was the daughter of the writer,Nathaniel Hawthorne,and later in life became a convert to Catholicism.She founded the Servants of Relief of Incurable Cancer,also known as the Dominican Sisters of St.Rose of Lima.or there is also St.katherine Drexel,founder of the Sisters of the Blessed Sacrament who spent her life and vast wealth helping blacks and native americans when they were neglected and ignored by many.
But thispill thing smacks of magic,and has nothing to do with the gospels,which maybe the point budge is trying to make in a not so subtle way.,and it is hard to avoid,since it has been reported in the press.Magic and spiritualism is very big in brazil
and sometimes they combine the two.


It is also possible that Father Galvao was making a joke to someone about the pills,and they took him literally.One would have to do more research on the true origin of them and how they came about.

[Starets]

If past behavior is any indication of future perfomance, I would have to say no it won't impress her. I would suspect that she would say something to the effect that they were stuck in the Roman Catholic System(tm) and the poor things were deceived into believing in a Works Righteousness(tm). At least that's how she's acted in the past regarding discerners on this board on at least two threads.

DISCLAIMER: Nothing in the above statement involves reading anyone's heart. Past Performance does not guarantee Future Behavior.

[Katholikos]

[quote]One would have to do more research on the true origin of them and how they came about.[/quote]

However they came about, it was [i][b]not[/b][/i] from the teaching of the Church. The Church can't control these abberations, anymore than she can stop Americans from leaving those superstitious Saint Jude flyers in the Churches.

The Church is responsible for what she teaches, not for what every kooky Catholic may do. The Church's job is to teach; our job is to learn and obey. If these ppl were following the Church's teaching, you (and Budge) would have a point. But they're going [b]against[/b] the Church's teaching.

Disobedience is rampant all over the world, it primarily stems from the influence of Protestant individualism.

Likos

[jckinsman]

A very good point Likos! JC

[jckinsman]

Budge attacks the church from all sides! The only thing we should be talking with her about is" sola' scriptura", It is the foundation of all her thinking. Prove to her how UNBIBLICAL it is and she, if she is true to Jesus Christ, she must walk away from that line of thinking!! Nothing else matters at this point! She will continue on her crusade because now she has a purpose and it makes her feel important! I say stick with the "bible alone" subject, and NOTHING ELSE until she, through the grace of GOD see's the errors of her thinking. Take the battle up in her own field! Does not Christ remind us,If a person is sinning tell them,have we not done that? What is the next step? We take it to the church. Only she has no church. Or does she???.........It is our church she has......she was catholic. So budge, If we can prove to you how unbiblical the teaching of the bible alone is,will you listen? Or will you just keep ranting on and on about "dressing barbies" and "eating pills". This will be very telling as to your commitment to Christ or to your commitment to yourself,your power and your pride! Will you truly follow Christ where He wants you to go!???? Even it it was back to the Catholic Church? JC

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Staretz' post='1269238' date='May 9 2007, 03:29 PM']I see nothing in the real story to justify him being called a "folk magician".[/quote]This is an excellent observation that is worth repeating. Budge's Ten Commandments include "Thou shalt not bear false witness," though I don't think she's ever read that far.

[prose]

I think if that line was inside a thread about a person being canonized, a mod would fix it. Is it possible to fix it in the title of a thread? A saint - or soon to be saint - should not be permitted to be mocked like that on a Catholic board.

Not to mention her reference that saints are demi-gods.

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1270122' date='May 10 2007, 12:31 PM']This is an excellent observation that is worth repeating. Budge's Ten Commandments include "Thou shalt not bear false witness," though I don't think she's ever read that far.[/quote]

Nope. She seems really hung up on the first one, which Bugeianity split in two.

[misereremi]

[quote name='prose' post='1270160' date='May 10 2007, 09:28 PM']A saint - or soon to be saint - should not be permitted to be mocked like that on a Catholic board.[/quote]
Thank you.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1269359' date='May 9 2007, 04:00 PM']You'll have to wait. budge is vacationing. [/quote]

Was it a one-way ticket?

Edited May 13, 2007 by Norseman82

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Budge' post='1269285' date='May 9 2007, 03:02 PM']Nice to close your eyes to everything you dont like, kind of convienient.[/quote]

And just how is that any different than running off to start a new thread instead of answering the questions posed to one in an old?

[kamiller42]

[quote name='Budge' post='1269219' date='May 9 2007, 02:18 PM'][b]Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.[/b][/quote]
That includes making yourself a god.

[b]He summoned the crowd and said to them, "Hear and understand.
It is not what enters one's mouth that defiles that person; but what comes out of the mouth is what defiles one." Mt 15:10-11[/b]
You show a lot of concern about what enters the mouth with no regard for what comes out of your own.

[Guest JeffCR07]

I'd also like to point out that while yes, it is a strange devotional practice, and no, these nuns should not be doing it if it is prohibited by the Church, it is actually not all that strange from a scholarly perspective. It bears strong resemblence to the Jewish practice of wearing tefillin or having a mezuzah, as well as being an imitation of the actions of both John and Ezekiel, both of whom ate scrolls by divine commandment.

While I am not advocating the practice, I think this conversation would benefit greatly from a more scholarly approach in which the practice is understood with an eye to its historical roots or similarities and to scriptural passages from which it may stem.

Your Brother In Christ,

Jeff

[Mary-Kathryn]

[quote name='Budge' post='1269185' date='May 9 2007, 02:50 PM']On his trip to Brazil this week, B16 will raise to "sainthood" Brazil's first indigenous "saint."

Now very little has been said about him to date, so, shall we have a LOOKSEE into WHY the Catholic Church considers this prelate worthy of being a demigod?

Im sorry but eating paper prayers is witchcraft...
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Ok the wooden barbie doll games were bad enough, but canonizing this guy who is basically ADVANCING superstition and WITCHCRAFT?

Are you all going to start chopping down on your Mead Notebooks full of prayers soon?[/quote]

My memory is very poor [a problem I have] and I can get confused but Jesus used spit and mud. [correct?] So if Our Lord can do this why can't mere humans use what they have? I think Papa Benedict is holding the man and his life up as an example [his holiness] Keep your eyes trained on heaven...not the paper trail behind you

[journeyman]

[quote name='Budge' post='1269304' date='May 9 2007, 02:17 PM']What false premise is that?

Putting your trust in chowing down magic pieces of paper is bad?[/quote]


The premise Budge offers is miracle through magic paper pills
The premise I saw in the article is miracle through intercessory prayer

The modality of the prayer is what is throwing Budge off
Is prayer any less efficacious if done in an unorthodox manner?

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Mary-Kathryn' post='1276886' date='May 18 2007, 07:22 PM']My memory is very poor [a problem I have] and I can get confused but Jesus used spit and mud. [correct?] So if Our Lord can do this why can't mere humans use what they have? I think Papa Benedict is holding the man and his life up as an example [his holiness] Keep your eyes trained on heaven...not the paper trail behind you[/quote]Great point. Even if we leave aside that Budge's accusation of "folk magician" is totally baseless, how would the religion of Budgianity deal with a Jewish "folk magician" who healed with spit and mud?

Ironically, Budge's lies bear a striking resemblance to the ancient Jewish attacks on Jesus and the early Christians.

Edited May 19, 2007 by Mateo el Feo

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1277490' date='May 19 2007, 03:17 PM']Great point. Even if we leave aside that Budge's accusation of "folk magician" is totally baseless, how would the religion of Budgianity deal with a Jewish "folk magician" who healed with spit and mud?

Ironically, Budge's lies bear a striking resemblance to the ancient Jewish attacks on Jesus and the early Christians.[/quote]
I was thinking along the same lines today... anywho... when is Budge coming back? That, is... when is she allowed to post again?