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Here is a picture of myself, taken a couple months ago. One of my jobs is Baker. Stealing one of my cookies is not a good idea!
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You make cookies? [i][b]I [/b][/i]want a cookie... I won't have to steal one if you'll just send me some.... fides et alimentum - pro caritatem, edo... that's my motto.

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[color=black][font=Calibri]Dear Brothers and Sisters,[/font][/color]

[color=black][font=Calibri]Therefore, if you want the password, you can ask the [i]LittleFriars[/i] for it through their website: ([url="http://www.poorfriars.net/"]www.poorfriars.net[/url]).Now I tell you even more so, rather, after the negative decree, they’ve beenofficially received in little groups in 6 different dioceses of the world (withmore than 20 positive Episcopal letters – all of them after the negative decree- that testify to all of this and also to the profound spirit of ecclesialcommunion of this community. These letters however, at the moment they don'tpublish for matters of diplomacy and protection from some “evil tongues” whoare putting them through all sorts of difficulties). Therefore, for example, asone of their very recent videos testifies, especially in the last part of thevideo, where an Archbishop speaks.. they’ve been welcomed into Latin America,into the United States, into Africa, and into 3 Dioceses of Italy.. with thesebishops who’ve welcomed them also knowing of the obvious"misunderstanding" scientifically demonstrated. In this video though,as I again repeat, these [i]Little ones of Jesus and Mary[/i] don't preciselyshow where they are, at least for the time being, to avoid being againdisturbed. Therefore, let's not forget the above scientifical-chronologicalevidence of the "misunderstanding" that I have attached below, asJesus himself said, [i]« on the day of judgment people will render an accountfor every unfounded word they speak... »[/i] ( Mt 12, 36ss ) and not only Jesussays this, but also the Church, in which its Canon Law expresses like so: [i]«No one is permitted to illegitimately harm the good reputation which a personpossesses nor violate the right of any person to protect his or her own privacy»[/i] (CCL, Can. 220).[/font][/color]

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I read what you wrote here: at first impression it could be a good explanation about the situation.
But the Bishop's letter is real and says the community has had some serious problems.
If indeed, as you wrote, there are positive letters and decrees, after March 2010, please publish them, or at least tell us who wrote those letters... which Bishop which Ordinary,which Diocese, so we could ask them for a copy.
If we want to be reasonable and wise, and correct according to the Church's canon law, until we see positive statements that contradict the letter of the bishop of Caltanissetta, written after March 2010, we[u] must[/u] continue to believe that little poor friars and poor nuns v.v. of Jesus and Mary (Piccoli frati poveri e sorelle Povere V.V. di Gesù e Maria) are not in communion with the whole catholic Church.

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I read what you wrote here: at first impression it could be a good explanation about the situation.
But the Bishop's letter is real and says the community has had some serious problems.
If indeed, as you wrote, there are positive letters and decrees, after March 2010, please publish them, or at least tell us who wrote those letters... which Bishop which Ordinary,which Diocese, so we could ask them for a copy.
If we want to be reasonable and wise, and correct according to the Church's canon law, until we see positive statements that contradict the letter of the bishop of Caltanissetta, written after March 2010, we[u] must[/u] continue to believe that little poor friars and poor nuns v.v. of Jesus and Mary (Piccoli frati poveri e sorelle Povere V.V. di Gesù e Maria) are not in communion with the whole catholic Church.
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The Community of the Poor Friars and Nuns of Jesus and Mary is in OPEN disobedience to their Bishop: just take a look at their website (they have their Constitution there, which the Bishop decreed must be removed form the internet) and the community's effort to "recruit" vocations at Catholic Answers.

We need OBEDIENT communities.

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These are the Friars of the Sacred Heart of Jesus (Serca Jezusowego Zgromadzenie Embers), a little religious community founded in Poland in 1877 by Blessed Fr. Stanislaw Kubiak.
They wear the old- style Jesuit dress but with a green sash:

[img]http://www.zbsj.poznan.pl/galeria/duze//cc.jpg[/img]

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I met two of these Fathers at Jasna Gora. They are a wonderful community!

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These are the Friars of the Sacred Heart of Jesus (Serca Jezusowego Zgromadzenie Embers), a little religious community founded in Poland in 1877 by Blessed Fr. Stanislaw Kubiak.
They wear the old- style Jesuit dress but with a green sash:

[img]http://www.zbsj.poznan.pl/galeria/duze//cc.jpg[/img]
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[color="black"][font="Calibri"]Dear Brothers and Sisters,[/font][/color]

[font="Calibri"][size=2]If it’s written here in this negative decree that since May 2008 there onlyexist a general discontent, why is it that from May2008 right up to the Decreeof the 3rd of March 2010 this negative decree did not also list all thesepositive signs that here follow ?.. that is the 100positive lay letters, 12positive priests letters and 2 positive bishops letters, including one from thesame Bishop who wrote the decree ? (of course all these things I’ve attachedfor you here below) – letters that say the complete opposite to the negativedecree ?!.. From this, one can scientifically understand how reliable the moral"misunderstanding" of this decree is, that does not correspond withthe truth of the facts and the morality that[/size][size=2] [/size][i][size=2]Lumen Gentium[/size][/i][size=2] [/size][size=2]25 requests. These things written in the decree could only be written fornothing else than an obvious distraction of the author, nothing more. In fact,for example, have you not read the story of Saint Mary MacKillop who wasdeclared heretical by an Australian Bishop but who now rather, only a fewmonths ago in Rome at St. Peter’s square was declared a Saint ? Therefore, let’sreflect, it’s clear that these "misunderstandings and distractions"often happen in the Church and who always ends up paying the price are thosewho want to became Saints, with deeds and in the truth. Therefore, I haveattached the above listed positive signs from May 2008 up until the date of thenegative decree (since I’d stored all this info before all these things hadhappened when there wasn’t any password or any omission in the website as thereis now, for the fact that the[/size][size=2] [/size][i][size=2]Little Friars[/size][/i][size=2] [/size][size=2]do not want to degrade the imageof the author of the decree ).[/size][size=2]

[/size][size=2][/size][size=2][/size][size=2]Therefore, if you want thepassword, you can ask the[/size][size=2] [/size][i][size=2]Little Friars[/size][/i][size=2] [/size][size=2]for it through their website: ([/size][size=2][url="http://www.poorfriars.net/"]www.poorfriars.net[/url][/size][size=2]).Now I tell you even more so, rather, after the negative decree, they’vebeen officially received in little groups in 6 different dioceses of the world(with more than 20 positive Episcopal letters – all of them after the negativedecree- that testify to all of this and also to the profound spirit ofecclesial communion of this community. These letters however, at the momentthey don't publish for matters of diplomacy and protection from some “evil tongues”who are putting them through all sorts of difficulties). Therefore, forexample, as one of their very recent videos testifies, especially in the lastpart of the video, where an Archbishop speaks.. they’ve been welcomed intoLatin America, into the United States, into Africa, and into 3 Dioceses ofItaly.. with these bishops who’ve welcomed them also knowing of the obvious "misunderstanding"scientifically demonstrated. In this video though, as I again repeat, these[/size][size=2] [/size][i][size=2]Little ones of Jesus and Mary[/size][/i][size=2] [/size][size=2]don't precisely show where they are, at least for the time being, to avoidbeing again disturbed. Therefore, let's not forget the abovescientifical-chronological evidence of the "misunderstanding" that Ihave attached below, as Jesus himself said,[/size][size=2] [/size][i][size=2]« on the day of judgment people will render an account for every unfoundedword they speak... »[/size][/i][size=2] [/size][size=2]( Mt 12, 36ss ) and not only Jesus says this, but also the Church, in whichits Canon Law expresses like so:[/size][size=2] [/size][i][size=2]«No one is permitted to illegitimately harm the good reputation which aperson possesses nor violate the right of any person to protect his or her ownprivacy»[/size][/i][size=2] [/size][size=2](CCL, Can. 220).[/size][size=2]<br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><br style="mso-special-character:line-break">[/size][/font][color="black"] [/color]
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[color="black"]For a greater guarantee know that in these letters the Bishops are alsoin agreement with the founder in having all of them study, and for the majorpart, all in Sacred Theology and licenses of various specializations, and evenmore, as their report cards testify, with high grades, which demonstratesbeyond the "misunderstanding", their profound and elevated Catholic –theological orthodoxy. [/color]



[i]2 EPISCOPALLETTERS [/i][i](positive- from the 1[sup]st[/sup] of May 2008 up to the negative decree of 3 March2010)[/i]

- Most Rev. Archbishop La Piana, 13 August 2008 ( for our mission );

- Most Rev. Bishop Mario Russotto, 19 September 2009 ( for an imminent approval ).

[url="http://www/"]http://www[/url]............



[i]12 PRIESTLYLETTERS [/i][i](positive- from 1 May 2008 to negative decree of 3 March 2010)[/i]

- Father Egidio Pudia, 16 July 2008( for a mission );

- Father Giorgio Costantino, 19 September2008 ( for a mission );

- Father Pietro Scolaro, 20 September2008 ( for a mission );

- Father Alessandro Di Fede, 16 November 2008 ( for a mission );

- Father Ivan Graci, from 10 Luglio2008 to 21 July 2008 ( for a mission );

- Father Francesco Fruscio, 30 March2009 ( for a mission );

- Father Giuseppe Canalella, 19 April 2009 ( for a mission );

- Father Achille Lomanto, 31 May2009 ( for a mission );

- Father Salvatore Pignatone, 2 June2009 ( for a mission );

- Father Mario Alcamo ( their ex-episcopal delegate ), 4 July 2009 (certificate of perpetual Obedience);

- Father Salvatore Taffaro, 12 September2009 ( for a mission );

- Father Marcello Stanzione, 2 November2009 ( for a mission ).

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[i]100 .. LAYLETTERS [/i][i](positive- from 1[sup]st[/sup] of May 2008 to the negative decree of the 3rd of March2010)[/i]

[url="http://nuke.fratipoveri.net/Default.aspx?tabid=602"]http://nuke.fratipov....aspx?tabid=602[/url]




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[color=black][font=Calibri][size=2]Peace and Good to you all...[/size][/font][/color]

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[color=black][font=Calibri][size=2]I know very well the history… [/size][/font][/color]

[size=4]Therefore, I give you a link of one very recent video thattestifies what I said here before, especially in the last part of the video,where an Archbishop speaks, and it’s possible to see the other Bishops thathelp them (these Bishops, as I said before, welcomed them also knowing of theobvious "misunderstanding" with their Episcopal Brother)[/size]

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[size=4][code]<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/18535742" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/18535742">Vocational Discernment 3 (Synthesis)</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3098398">Poor Friars</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>[/code]
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To have these other bishops' support or approval or whatever you want to call it, it's very nice... the same with other figures like Fr. Gruner for example... what it really comes down to is their local Ordinary - in this case Bishop Mario Russotto of Caltanissetta. That's the only approval and opinion that truly counts. PERIOD. And Mgr. Russotto has been [b]very[/b] clear in his official decisions regarding this case.

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Servants of the Paraclete
[img]http://theservants.org/Portals/0/Profession.jpg[/img]

[img]http://theservants.org/Portals/0/Seminarians.jpg[/img]

They have the Carmelite spirituality. :cool: I cannot believe it... It's like, is this my home? I am considering them for a long time..

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[size="2"]Let’s pay attention when we speak bad of others, because truth makes its own way, given that after this negative episcopal document, there are also 18 positive episcopal documents and even more 16 [font="Arial, sans-serif"]positive episcopal documents from the past. How many are these ?[/font][/size]
[size="1"][url="http://nuke.fratipoveri.net/HomeItaliano/HomeCONSACRATI/CURRICULUMVVufficiale/IndexDichiarazioniEpiscopali/UltimeAttestazionieLettereEpiscopali/tabid/823/Default.aspx"]http://nuke.fratipov...23/Default.aspx[/url][/size]

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[img]http://www.franciscanfriars.com/images7/CFR%20Council.jpg[/img]

Franciscans of the Renewal = Cool Friars!
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This is the 2010 combined Novitiate for the Southern and Western Province of the US Dominicans

[media]http://novices.opwest.org/Class2010/Novitiate_2010/2010_Novices_files/2010-11-13d-%20Menlo%20Park%20Group%20Shot%2018.jpg[/media]


From left to right: Br. Bradley Thomas, Br. Juan de la Caridad, Br. Thomas More, Br. Kevin, and Br. Dennis

Go [url="http://novices.opwest.org/Class2010/Novitiate_2010/2010_Novices.html"]here[/url] to see more pics and their blog.

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