Minor Rogation

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='cappie' post='1273214' date='May 14 2007, 04:00 PM']Did you eat all the Mothers' Day cake..........
Oh well

with :coagulated milk:[/quote]

[cappie]

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='St. Benedict' post='1272862' date='May 14 2007, 07:31 AM']While no longer required after Vatican II, [b]the observation of Rogation Days is still encouraged[/b]. This year the Minor Rogation, the days leading up to Ascension Thursday, are May 14-16 inclusive. Today is the first day of the Minor Rogation, a day of fasting and penance.

These were traditionally days of penance, fasting, and praying litanies. [b]If you are in good health, please remember to observe these days.[/b] Again, while not required until penalty of sin by the Holy Church, these days can still be observed. I am greatly encouraging them. For more information on Rogation days, see the links in my post entitled [url="http://acatholiclife.blogspot.com/2007/04/rogation-day-fasting-and-penance.html"]Rogation Day: Fasting and Penance[/url].[/quote]

Encouraged by whom?

and why not say, "If you are in good health and wish to make this devotion, please do so" They are not required. Or, if your true motivation is to just make us aware of them, why not just post that it IS and leave your encouragement out of it?

[Sojourner]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1273266' date='May 14 2007, 03:53 PM']Encouraged by whom?

and why not say, "If you are in good health and wish to make this devotion, please do so" They are not required. Or, if your true motivation is to just make us aware of them, why not just post that it IS and leave your encouragement out of it?[/quote]
yep



what she said

[Aloysius]

They are encouraged by the Anglicans as an optional practice.

haha... but that's about the only people left encouraging them save some traditional priests, St. Benny, and me (I tell all my friends to pray for a good harvest and they look at me strangely)

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1273278' date='May 14 2007, 04:01 PM']They are encouraged by the Anglicans as an optional practice.

haha... but that's about the only people left encouraging them save some traditional priests, St. Benny, and me (I tell all my friends to pray for a good harvest and they look at me strangely)[/quote]
do you try to guilt them into it after they look at you strangely?

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='St. Benedict' post='1273198' date='May 14 2007, 02:40 PM']And I don't appreciate people not even caring to hear about devotions like this because they strive to do just the minimum [/quote]
You, dear child, are quite full of yourself. Again I will say: people are not going to want to listen to you with your attitude. You do not do what you do in the love of Christ. A prideful attitude such as yours would never be considered, in my opinion, a Christ-like (Christ-centered) attitude.

[Aloysius]

yes, I tell them that if they do not fast and pray for the harvest, all the corn in the United States will be struck with a plague as at Egypt, so the corn-fed beef will starve, and there will be mass hunger throughout the world.

it's all up to them.

[homeschoolmom]

When you say, "It is encouraged" without saying who is encouraging it, the implication is that the Vatican is encouraging it. If that is not the case, then I would appreciate St. Benedict being more forthright in his postings.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1273295' date='May 14 2007, 04:11 PM']When you say, "It is encouraged" without saying who is encouraging it, the implication is that the Vatican is encouraging it. If that is not the case, then I would appreciate St. Benedict being more forthright in his postings.[/quote]
I agree. I would appreciate the same. He is quite misleading.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1273297' date='May 14 2007, 04:13 PM']I agree. I would appreciate the same. He is quite misleading.[/quote]
ditto the ditto

[Aloysius]

oh come on, am I the only one who automatically knew he was talking about the Heretical Anglicans still encouraging it? seemed clear to me

[Moneybags]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1273286' date='May 14 2007, 05:05 PM']You, dear child, are quite full of yourself. Again I will say: people are not going to want to listen to you with your attitude. You do not do what you do in the love of Christ. A prideful attitude such as yours would never be considered, in my opinion, a Christ-like (Christ-centered) attitude.[/quote]

Everyone, just forget about it. People here always strives just for the miniumum. Most of you sound worse than the Protestants that I talk to! Just forget I posted this. I was the one encouraging this along with hundreds of other traditional, orthodox priests. The Church has had this practice for centuries! It shouldn't be dropped just because of one ecumencial council, whose indirect results have caused more harm than good.

I forget that everyone just wants the minimum - NOT AN OUNCE MORE. The truth is that I am upset about this and the rude, insulting comments directed towards me especially by hughey in the quoted section above. I didn't have an attitude before! I was just posting some information!!

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='St. Benedict' post='1273342' date='May 15 2007, 12:52 AM']Everyone, just forget about it. People here always strives just for the miniumum. Most of you sound worse than the Protestants that I talk to! Just forget I posted this. I was the one encouraging this along with hundreds of other traditional, orthodox priests. The Church has had this practice for centuries! It shouldn't be dropped just because of one ecumencial council, whose indirect results have caused more harm than good.

I forget that everyone just wants the minimum - NOT AN OUNCE MORE. The truth is that I am upset about this and the rude, insulting comments directed towards me especially by hughey in the quoted section above. I didn't have an attitude before! I was just posting some information!![/quote]

I think and feel as though you're doing quite a few of us an injustice. You don't know me, you don't know my personal devotions and yet you seem to be willing to say that I just want the "bare minimum" out of my religion. How can you make such a proclamation about a person you don't know and will likely never meet? I hope to be a Benedictine one day, but I hope that I won't become a person like the perception I have of you from Phatmass. I can't claim to know St. Benedict very well, but I hope he's not really like the St. Benedict here.

All of this is modulo internet communication, of course. It's possible that I've just misread everything I've seen from you here, in which case I am doing you an injustice.

PP

[Era Might]

[quote name='St. Benedict' post='1273342' date='May 14 2007, 05:52 PM']Everyone, just forget about it. People here always strives just for the miniumum. Most of you sound worse than the Protestants that I talk to! Just forget I posted this. I was the one encouraging this along with hundreds of other traditional, orthodox priests. The Church has had this practice for centuries! It shouldn't be dropped just because of one ecumencial council, whose indirect results have caused more harm than good.

I forget that everyone just wants the minimum - NOT AN OUNCE MORE. The truth is that I am upset about this and the rude, insulting comments directed towards me especially by hughey in the quoted section above. I didn't have an attitude before! I was just posting some information!![/quote]
Just because someone doesn't follow your devotional life doesn't mean they are striving for the minimum. There may be people here who fast and pray ten times more than you do, and don't follow your days of devotion. The fasting and spiritual practices of the Church have always changed with time. The Eastern Churches observe much more strict fasts than we do in the West; their fasts include meat as well as dairy and other products. Pope Pius XII changed the fast before Mass from twelve hours to three hours. If I were to start a thread and "remind" you to fast twelve hours, and then accuse you of striving for the minimum if you remain with the current practice, you would probably feel disrespected. It was once common for Catholics to recite the Angelus three times a day, and many Catholics still do. If you choose not to recite the Angelus every day, that doesn't mean you are striving for the minimum, and I shouldn't "remind" you to recite it. You should follow your own devotions. I would suggest that you keep these threads to the Transmundane Lane if you want to discuss spiritual practices, but please don't "remind" us to do something that is not required and is not common custom. There is nothing wrong with learning about different customs and traditions, but let's keep it in a spirit of charity and freedom, and not push our devotional lives on others. I believe you when you say this is not your intention, but we are letting you know how you come across, and all we ask is that you take this into account for the future.

[quote]Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

--Colossians 2:16-17[/quote]

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1273351' date='May 14 2007, 05:24 PM']Just because someone doesn't follow your devotional life doesn't mean they are striving for the minimum. There may be people here who fast and pray ten times more than you do, and don't follow your days of devotion. The fasting and spiritual practices of the Church have always changed with time. The Eastern Churches observe much more strict fasts than we do in the West; their fasts include meat as well as dairy and other products. Pope Pius XII changed the fast before Mass from twelve hours to three hours. If I were to start a thread and "remind" you to fast twelve hours, and then accuse you of striving for the minimum if you remain with the current practice, you would probably feel disrespected. It was once common for Catholics to recite the Angelus three times a day, and many Catholics still do. If you choose not to recite the Angelus every day, that doesn't mean you are striving for the minimum, and I shouldn't "remind" you to recite it. You should follow your own devotions. I would suggest that you keep these threads to the Transmundane Lane if you want to discuss spiritual practices, but please don't "remind" us to do something that is not required and is not common custom. There is nothing wrong with learning about different customs and traditions, but let's keep it in a spirit of charity and freedom, and not push our devotional lives on others. I believe you when you say this is not your intention, but we are letting you know how you come across, and all we ask is that you take this into account for the future.[/quote]
Well said, Era.

puellapaschalis, you also hit the nail on the head. this is a point many have been trying to make to him but he doesn't want to listen. i pray your breath has not been wasted.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1273351' date='May 14 2007, 05:24 PM']Just because someone doesn't follow your devotional life doesn't mean they are striving for the minimum. There may be people here who fast and pray ten times more than you do, and don't follow your days of devotion. The fasting and spiritual practices of the Church have always changed with time. The Eastern Churches observe much more strict fasts than we do in the West; their fasts include meat as well as dairy and other products. Pope Pius XII changed the fast before Mass from twelve hours to three hours. If I were to start a thread and "remind" you to fast twelve hours, and then accuse you of striving for the minimum if you remain with the current practice, you would probably feel disrespected. It was once common for Catholics to recite the Angelus three times a day, and many Catholics still do. If you choose not to recite the Angelus every day, that doesn't mean you are striving for the minimum, and I shouldn't "remind" you to recite it. You should follow your own devotions. I would suggest that you keep these threads to the Transmundane Lane if you want to discuss spiritual practices, but please don't "remind" us to do something that is not required and is not common custom. There is nothing wrong with learning about different customs and traditions, but let's keep it in a spirit of charity and freedom, and not push our devotional lives on others. I believe you when you say this is not your intention, but we are letting you know how you come across, and all we ask is that you take this into account for the future.[/quote]
Era, you may well be the single wisest person I've never met.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1273351' date='May 14 2007, 06:24 PM']Just because someone doesn't follow your devotional life doesn't mean they are striving for the minimum. There may be people here who fast and pray ten times more than you do, and don't follow your days of devotion. The fasting and spiritual practices of the Church have always changed with time. The Eastern Churches observe much more strict fasts than we do in the West; their fasts include meat as well as dairy and other products. Pope Pius XII changed the fast before Mass from twelve hours to three hours. If I were to start a thread and "remind" you to fast twelve hours, and then accuse you of striving for the minimum if you remain with the current practice, you would probably feel disrespected. It was once common for Catholics to recite the Angelus three times a day, and many Catholics still do. If you choose not to recite the Angelus every day, that doesn't mean you are striving for the minimum, and I shouldn't "remind" you to recite it. You should follow your own devotions. I would suggest that you keep these threads to the Transmundane Lane if you want to discuss spiritual practices, but please don't "remind" us to do something that is not required and is not common custom. There is nothing wrong with learning about different customs and traditions, but let's keep it in a spirit of charity and freedom, and not push our devotional lives on others. I believe you when you say this is not your intention, but we are letting you know how you come across, and all we ask is that you take this into account for the future.[/quote]


[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1273654' date='May 14 2007, 10:24 PM']Era, you may well be the single wisest person I've never met.[/quote]
ditto... She says that all the time....

[Sojourner]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1273737' date='May 14 2007, 09:58 PM']
ditto... She says that all the time....[/quote]
I do not! I only reserve that for special people, like Era.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1273742' date='May 14 2007, 10:59 PM']I do not! I only reserve that for special people, like Era.[/quote]
I meant you say that about Era all the time.