The Bush Administration Responsible For Sunni Extremists?

[KnightofChrist]

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Edited May 28, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1282487' date='May 28 2007, 12:12 AM']What a foolish and untrue statement I have never "painted" such a thing.[/quote] Oh whatever, you gave a bunch of propaganda articles, over and over again [literally litering this board with your propaganda] about "the jihadists", but the minute someone posts an article about your own political affiliation supporting terrorists, literally funding them, you don't condemn them but rather find ways to justify the administration.

[quote] In other threads you charged that CNN and other News outlets as being propagandist, now their not.[/quote]I never said that CNN was a propagandist, but more importantly I didn't say they weren't either, what I did say is that the very news media outlets that you quote from in regards to "WMD being found" [even thou it's a fact that they haven't] have proven that the Bush administration funded Jihadists, and you condemn the jihadists and "liberals" and of course "democrats" all of the place but don't condemn the Bush administration, which is pure hypocracy.

[quote]You can't live up to your own standards.[/quote] On the contrary... you're the one that can't live by your own standards. Maybe it's best that you don't condemn "liberals" or "democrats" no more, since you obviously have a very partisan bias agenda.

[quote]I dont care to waste time I could be making money going into a deep debate about something that has no proof. Bush is not a terrorist, nor does he support terrorist. No proof has been given to prove otherwise.[/quote]Watch the video and you'll find otherwise.

[quote]The only proof is that of the opinion of one man? Hersh offers no proof no documents no names, just statements of his opinion.[/quote] You obviously havn't watched the video.

[KnightofChrist]

Indeed I have watched the video, he offers no real proof. And the other reporter repeatedly says "according to your report."

[Sojourner]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1282487' date='May 28 2007, 01:12 AM']The only proof is that of the opinion of one man? Hersh offers no proof no documents no names, just statements of his opinion.[/quote]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh"]Seymour Hersh[/url] is a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist who has covered military matters longer than you've been alive.

[url="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh"]This is the article[/url] that the interviewer refers to (you know, when she says "according to your report").

I didn't read the whole thing. It's long, and I don't care that much. But the outline does give a fuller explication of Hersh's discoveries.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1282509' date='May 28 2007, 05:39 AM']Oh whatever, you gave a bunch of propaganda articles, over and over again [literally littering this board with your propaganda] about "the jihadists", but the minute someone posts an article about your own political affiliation supporting terrorists, literally funding them, you don't condemn them but rather find ways to justify the administration.[/quote]

It was more than just one mans opinion, which is all this video is. You don't have a consensus of different news articles based on the same event, you don't have quotes from real and named officials, and you don't have any official documents. I had all those things in my [i]litter of propaganda[/i] you dont. Now sure you'll agrue "So not true, na na na yah didnt." But like you said that is not what this debate is about.

Its about wether or not the President of the Untied States supports terrorism, nothing but speculative hearsay and commentary has been offered up as "proof" and "evidence".

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1282509' date='May 28 2007, 05:39 AM']I never said that CNN was a propagandist, but more importantly I didn't say they weren't either, what I did say is that the very news media outlets that you quote from in regards to "WMD being found" [even thou it's a fact that they haven't] have proven that the Bush administration funded Jihadists, and you condemn the jihadists and "liberals" and of course "democrats" all of the place but don't condemn the Bush administration, which is pure hypocracy.[/quote]

Still living outside the realms of reality I see, oh well. 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium and 1500 gallons of chemical weapons arent WMD's anymore. Well everywhere but reality.

I'm not going to condemn the President of the Untied States based on one mans opinion. Offer some real proof or all this is hearsay and commentary.

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1282509' date='May 28 2007, 05:39 AM']On the contrary... you're the one that can't live by your own standards. Maybe it's best that you don't condemn "liberals" or "democrats" no more, since you obviously have a very partisan bias agenda.[/quote]

As normal always very bossy. "Do this dont do that", "Your the worse person on earth", "Your not Catholic" Blah blah blah. Liberals consist of both Republicans and Democrats, more so Democrats, but so what if political leaders are going to pass laws which kill 50 million babies, that action deserves condemnation. If political leaders are going to pass immorality that action deserves condemnation. If political leaders are aiding and abiding the enemy that action deserves condemnation. Theres no proof that Bush is aiding and abiding the enemy. Just more speculative hearsay and commentary from the anti-american left.

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1282509' date='May 28 2007, 05:39 AM']Watch the video and you'll find otherwise.

You obviously havn't watched the video.[/quote]


He names no sources only in generality's, and shows no documents to back up his statements. Hearsay, and commentary.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1282675' date='May 28 2007, 02:17 PM'][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh"]Seymour Hersh[/url] is a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist who has covered military matters longer than you've been alive.

[url="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh"]This is the article[/url] that the interviewer refers to (you know, when she says "according to your report").

I didn't read the whole thing. It's long, and I don't care that much. But the outline does give a fuller explication of Hersh's discoveries.[/quote]

Obviously KnightofChrist ignored your post [for obvious reasons], but I'm glad that you brought it to light, so I didn't have to...

Reza

[Sojourner]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1282972' date='May 28 2007, 09:24 PM']Obviously KnightofChrist ignored your post [for obvious reasons], but I'm glad that you brought it to light, so I didn't have to...

Reza[/quote]
He did ignore it.

I wasn't hurt. But thanks for the props.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1282972' date='May 28 2007, 09:24 PM']Obviously KnightofChrist ignored your post [for obvious reasons], but I'm glad that you brought it to light, so I didn't have to...

Reza[/quote]


Why respond to something that proofs nothing of the charges against the President? Pulitzer-prizes or not, that does not prove anything and his age proves nothing as well. It's nice he has all those things but its largely illrelavent to the charges implied.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1283002' date='May 28 2007, 09:34 PM']Why respond to something that proofs nothing of the charges against the President? Pulitzer-prizes or not, that does not prove anything and his age proves nothing as well. It's nice he has all those things but its largely illrelavent to the charges implied.[/quote]
I was just saying that his opinion on this matter does actually carry some weight.

He has investigated it, and offers more concrete proof in the article, should you want to read it. So don't just blow him off.

[Apotheoun]

I just finished reading the article, and it is well written, but it is hardly "proof" that the Bush administration is causing Islamo-fascist terrorism. Islam is the real problem, not the Bush administration.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1282998' date='May 28 2007, 09:32 PM']I wasn't hurt.[/quote]

My apologizes ether way... however still proved nothing. I read the article when you posted, it same as the video does not offer concrete proof of the President supporting terrorist.

Edited May 29, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1283011' date='May 28 2007, 09:38 PM']I just finished reading the article, and it is well written, but it is hardly "proof" that the Bush administration is causing Islamo-fascist terrorism. Islam is the real problem, not the Bush administration.[/quote]
I think the allegation is not that they cause it, but rather that they fund it.

[catholicinsd]

All religious extremists, especially muslims ones are as dumb as the rocks the desert of their back yard.

[Apotheoun]

[i]Allegation[/i] is the key word. Moreover, the concluding remarks by Senator Ron Wyden are sad to say the least, since Congress has oversight (control) over how funds are spent. Clearly, if the Senator thinks that the Bush administration is doing something wrong, he -- and the other members of the Intelligence committee -- should act.

[Sojourner]

It is indeed. Nothing is, at this point, proven. Or even formally alleged.

However, I still wouldn't blow all this off as being one man's opinion.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1283019' date='May 28 2007, 08:41 PM']All religious extremists, especially muslims ones are as dumb as the rocks the desert of their back yard.[/quote]
The problem is that Islam is extremist in its theology itself (read the Qu'ran and the Hadith). Non-Muslims have no rights under Sharia law, and the Islamic understanding of martyrdom, which involves killing non-Muslims, is not martyrdom in the Christian (or even the Jewish) sense of the word.

[KnightofChrist]

Right now, thats all it is... One mans opinion.

Edited May 29, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[Sojourner]

Let's note for the record that from time to time large government scandals were first brought to light in investigative reporting pieces.

Watergate, anyone?

[Apotheoun]

Time will tell. Nevertheless, Islam is the problem, not the Bush administration, and not even the pacifistic Democrats in Congress -- although lack of resolve in the face of Islamic aggression has always led to dire consequences for non-Muslims.

Anyone even remotely familiar with history is aware of the fact that Muslims have been at war with the non-Islamic world since the foundation of the Islamic religion in the 7th century, and the sooner that Americans (and other non-Muslim peoples) recognize this fact, the better.

[Sojourner]

Actually I think that is one of our biggest weaknesses in dealing with the Middle East -- we have no sense of the history there. I think that really hampers us both in war and in negotiations.