Doctrinal Superiority

[jeffpugh]

Dang... I come to this thread and find Groo has already laid down the law. I'll keep my eye on this though. Good job, there Groo. And please, everybody, take this thread seriously.

Edited May 28, 2007 by Sacred Music Man

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Light and Truth' post='1282706' date='May 28 2007, 04:41 PM']A good Protestant theologian will look at the cultural and textual context of verses and look at what it says in light of the rest of his knowledge of scripture. What they don't do is use extrabiblical sources to tell them what a verse is supposed to mean.[/quote]
well, that's not entirely true ... several Protestant ministers I've read will cite to other theologians as sources to aid in interpretation. There is extrabiblical evidence weighed in Protestant interpretation, but it draws from a much narrower band of history, and is weighted less.

[GodChaser]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1282657' date='May 28 2007, 02:15 PM']Light and Truth,

I have not argued at all for the correctness of any particular position; instead, I have asked GodChaser to support his own claims, which he appears incapable of doing.

God bless,
Todd[/quote]
All I can say, Apotheoun, is Scripture clearly states - no interpretation required, that the Roman Catholic Account for History is completely wrong.

If it doesn't fit into the Bible, than it is a lie from the devil.

All you did, to refute my arguement is say, that is what someone said in the 1600s. That's not what we say. You're wrong. You're owned.

What a debate. I was so intellectually stimulated that I can't refute your logic.

Oh yeah, that's because you had no arguement.

Prove your point that the Roman Catholic Version of history is correct!

Prove to me that Babylon is Jeruselem or Rome!

Edited May 29, 2007 by GodChaser

[Apotheoun]

Scripture, like all written texts, requires interpretation, and you still have not given any reason for your spurious symbolic division of the statements about the seasonal "rains" in [i]Joel[/i].

In fact, you have not yet even presented a coherent argument in support of your position.

Moreover, your view of history, which happens to be the fanciful creation of 19th century Protestant authors, is an innovation, and has no support in any of the Church Fathers.

Thus, until you prove your interpretation is correct there is no reason for me to accept it as true. Besides, you still have not specified by what authority you have made these novel symbolic distinctions.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1282870' date='May 28 2007, 07:38 PM']What a debate. I was so intellectually stimulated that I can't refute your logic.

Oh yeah, that's because you had no arguement.[/quote]
Your subjective assertions about the meaning of various scriptural texts is not an argument.

Prove what you say is true, i.e., give evidence that supports your position.

By the way, merely quoting longer excerpts of scripture is not an argument.

P.S. - I have not advocated any particular interpretation of scripture yet (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant), because I am waiting for you to give some kind of support for your interpretation of the text of [i]Joel[/i].

[GodChaser]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1282955' date='May 28 2007, 09:20 PM']Your subjective assertions about the meaning of various scriptural texts is not an argument.

Prove what you say is true, i.e., give evidence that supports your position.

By the way, merely quoting longer excerpts of scripture is not an argument.

P.S. - I have not advocated any particular interpretation of scripture yet (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant), because I am waiting for you to give some kind of support for your interpretation of the text of [i]Joel[/i].[/quote]
Truth will take care of itself Apotheoun.

On my authority, the only authority is the Bible. I'm only a student of it, and I have no authority, for it is above even the name of Jesus Christ. You'll love jumping up and down on this one, because I just said I have no authority, and you will say, ah ha, that's right, only the Pope has the authority. Sadly, he is subjected to the authority of the Bible as well, and is below it.

[Apotheoun]

I see. So you cannot prove your position. Interesting. I must admit that I am disappointed by your inability to even formulate a coherent argument in support of your novel interpretations of [i]Joel[/i].

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1283062' date='May 28 2007, 08:56 PM']On my authority, the only authority is the Bible.[/quote]
Wow, and here I thought that God was the only authority.

[johnnydigit]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1283062' date='May 28 2007, 08:56 PM']On my authority, the only authority is the Bible.[/quote]
[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1283087' date='May 28 2007, 09:03 PM']Wow, and here I thought that God was the only authority.[/quote]

HEIL! [img]http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/images/smilies/hitler.gif[/img]



Matthew 16:18, the end.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1283062' date='May 28 2007, 08:56 PM']On my authority . . . and I have no authority.[/quote]
Clearly, this explains why you cannot formulate an argument.

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1283062' date='May 28 2007, 08:56 PM']. . . the only authority is the Bible . . . for it is above even the name of Jesus Christ.[/quote]
Jesus Christ is the substantial Word of God, and the Bible is not. Bibliolatry is just another form of idolatry.

[Groo the Wanderer]

word, werd, WORD!

[GodChaser]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1283203' date='May 29 2007, 01:22 AM']Clearly, this explains why you cannot formulate an argument.
Jesus Christ is the substantial Word of God, and the Bible is not. Bibliolatry is just another form of idolatry.[/quote]
I guess that makes God a liar

[quote name='Psalm 138:1-2' date=' JPS']A Psalm of David. I will give Thee thanks with my whole heart, in the presence of the mighty will I sing praises unto Thee. I will bow down toward Thy holy temple, and give thanks unto Thy name for Thy mercy and for Thy truth; for Thou hast magnified Thy word above all Thy name.[/quote]

Hmmm,

Apotheoun says that the word isn't above the name of Jesus Christ, and calls it bibliolatry.

My Father, King David - a man after God's own heart - says that the Bible is above the name of God - (Jesus being apart of that name).

Who's right, My Father King David or Apotheoun?

Who's right, God or Apotheoun?

Where shall I go to to answer that question?

Oh yea, straight to those scriptures.

Scripture has been exalted by God, and magnified above his name!

If not, than it would have never appeared in the Bible!

Edited May 30, 2007 by GodChaser

[Ragamuffin]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1283774' date='May 29 2007, 08:13 PM']I guess that makes God a liar
Hmmm,

Apotheoun says that the word isn't above the name of Jesus Christ, and calls it bibliolatry.

My Father, King David - a man after God's own heart - says that the Bible is above the name of God - (Jesus being apart of that name).

Who's right, My Father King David or Apotheoun?

Who's right, God or Apotheoun?

Where shall I go to to answer that question?

Oh yea, straight to those scriptures.

Scripture has been exalted by God, and magnified above his name!

If not, than it would have never appeared in the Bible![/quote]
The Word is Jesus Christ (John 1). You're ignoring the clear teaching of the NT to extrapolate a novel interpretation and using an archaic translation to do so.