Kindergartners To Be Taught Homosexuality, Bisexuality, And Transsexu

[carrdero]

[quote name='St.Lucy4eva' post='1290579' date='Jun 7 2007, 08:56 PM']I think that we should just all pray for our Nation and its' leaders to conform their hearts to God.
Like for example when people ask (in some cases, don't read this wrong) where is God? Why isn't he doing something about this? He is, he sent us. Just some food for thought.[/quote]
I couldn't imagine why GOD would ask humans to do something that GOD could do Himself.

[jckinsman]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1290576' date='Jun 7 2007, 08:50 PM']And how will you differentiate your love from the sin and the sinner? Provide me with some examples? What acts of love would you not contribute towards this relationship if the person were not homosexual?[/quote]
My sister In-law, drinks way to much,(way to much). I love her, I do stuff with her,we eat together,we talk on the phone. She does not want to talk about it. I pray for her. I love her. Yes, her drinking is a problem,do I love her any less????? No way. (Her drinking is not only hurtful it is sinful.) Do you want a list of things I love about my nephew too,there are alot, he is very smart,the U of W sought him out for there nursing program. He used to teach swing dance and would put most to shame. He opened his own studio. He could build a pond in your backyard that would look like a tropical paradise in less then a week,if you asked him. He does pottery and he very good. I love him,he is my family, I do not love the sex he has with his partner.The sex he has with his partner is a sin. What you are saying does not make any sense!......"not contribute....... if he were not homosexual???"
He is though and he makes his own choices. I CAN love the sinner,and hate the sin. Is that not HOW CHRIST SEES ALL OF US! HE loves all of us,he hung on the cross for all of our sins,Or does he have a hard time separating the two,also? JC

[jckinsman]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1290726' date='Jun 8 2007, 02:07 AM']I couldn't imagine why GOD would ask humans to do something that GOD could do Himself.[/quote]
Ya God! so why are we here any way?

ST.LUCY you'll have to forgive our little friend,she's pretty bitter! You just stay sweet, and keep praying! JC

[carrdero]

[quote]SJP writes: The two are not mutually exclusive, terrible experiences are a part of reality.[/quote]Except that I do not view them as “terrible” or “tragedies”. Death is a Natural part of life.

[quote]SJP writes: You're right, but it certainly might help them find meaning in their suffering. It might strengthen their bond with one another and with God.[/quote]

Far be it for me to tell people how to grieve but it may be helpful in knowing how GOD understands (perceives) death.

[quote]SJP writes: So when it comes to morality might makes right? Majority rules? So which is it? Is morality based on group consensus? Or is it based on the whims of the individual? Please clarify.
Then I fail to see how legality has anything to do with the question of morality. Why would you use the rules and laws of others as evidence to support your own beliefs when you believe that people have to come to their own conclusions about moral issues.[/quote]See posts #96, #114.

[quote]SJP writes: Once again, I fail to see why you make any pronouncements whatsoever about morality. By your own admission, morality should be left up to individauls, so why are you trying to push your views on me?[/quote]

Um...because you asked me about them?

Edited June 8, 2007 by carrdero

[carrdero]

[quote name='jckinsman' post='1290731' date='Jun 8 2007, 02:24 AM']My sister In-law, drinks way to much,(way to much). I love her, I do stuff with her,we eat together,we talk on the phone. She does not want to talk about it. I pray for her. I love her. Yes, her drinking is a problem,do I love her any less????? No way. (Her drinking is not only hurtful it is sinful.) Do you want a list of things I love about my nephew too,there are alot, he is very smart,the U of W sought him out for there nursing program. He used to teach swing dance and would put most to shame. He opened his own studio. He could build a pond in your backyard that would look like a tropical paradise in less then a week,if you asked him. He does pottery and he very good. I love him,he is my family, I do not love the sex he has with his partner.The sex he has with his partner is a sin. What you are saying does not make any sense!......"not contribute....... if he were not homosexual???"
He is though and he makes his own choices. I CAN love the sinner,and hate the sin. [color="#FF0000"]Is that not HOW CHRIST SEES ALL OF US! [/color]HE loves all of us,he hung on the cross for all of our sins,Or does he have a hard time separating the two,also? JC[/quote]
I was curious and needed the clarification, it certainly does sound you have a firm understanding about love with both your sister-in-law and nephew.[color="#FF0000"] I cannot verify Christ's Love but now I can certainly verify jckinsman's.[/color]

Edited June 8, 2007 by carrdero

[SJP]

SJP writes: So when it comes to morality might makes right? Majority rules? So which is it? Is morality based on group consensus? Or is it based on the whims of the individual? Please clarify.
I fail to see how legality has anything to do with the question of morality. Why would you use the rules and laws of others as evidence to support your own beliefs when you believe that people have to come to their own conclusions about moral issues.

[quote]post #96,
carrdero writes: One of the easiest lessons to learn in this physical existence is that people will do whatever they want to do. If someone wants to shoot me for my possessions they will do so with absolutely no regard or fear for God, the law or society.

post #114.
carrdero writes: What I believe is that we are the only ones to make these decisions about ourselves.[/quote]OK, so you believe that questions of morality must be left to the individual. So why do you cite government laws as evidence for your beliefs?

[quote]SJP writes: Well what evidence do you have to support your view that homosexuality is not immoral?
carrdero writes: One reason would be that it is not illegal. I am sure that if it is was really immoral, there would be laws implemented to halt these practices.[/quote]

[jckinsman]

[quote name='SJP' post='1290791' date='Jun 8 2007, 09:29 AM']SJP writes: So when it comes to morality might makes right? Majority rules? So which is it? Is morality based on group consensus? Or is it based on the whims of the individual? Please clarify.
I fail to see how legality has anything to do with the question of morality. Why would you use the rules and laws of others as evidence to support your own beliefs when you believe that people have to come to their own conclusions about moral issues.

OK, so you believe that questions of morality must be left to the individual. So why do you cite government laws as evidence for your beliefs?[/quote]
Very good point!

[carrdero]

[quote name='SJP' post='1290791' date='Jun 8 2007, 09:29 AM']SJP writes: So when it comes to morality might makes right? Majority rules? So which is it? Is morality based on group consensus? Or is it based on the whims of the individual? Please clarify.
I fail to see how legality has anything to do with the question of morality. Why would you use the rules and laws of others as evidence to support your own beliefs when you believe that people have to come to their own conclusions about moral issues.

OK, so you believe that questions of morality must be left to the individual. So why do you cite government laws as evidence for your beliefs?[/quote]
I don't, I cite them for evidence against yours. Do you not believe that if homosexuality was so corrupt, so immoral, so much of a threat against this nation that are own self-appointed government would let this wicked practice go on for another day without any serious legal reprucussions? I don't believe homosexuality to be moral or immoral, I believe it to be a right. I believe that this is how GOD and our government view it as well.

[mortify]

Disorders of any kind can't be "right."

People who suffer from them are not be valued less or held in contempt, we live in a culture that encourages pursuit of pleasure and holds disdain for any meaningful existence, so how can we be surprised that our government, which is penetrated by the culture, to think differently?

And we know God's view on the matter, He's quite clear on it.

[Semalsia]

[quote name='SJP']How can two gay people procreate?[/quote]

They can. It doesn't matter how.

[SJP]

[quote name='Semalsia' post='1291082' date='Jun 8 2007, 06:05 PM']They can. It doesn't matter how.[/quote]

Unless I missed something in grade 9 anatomy, I'm quite sure that a homosexual act can never produce life.