The Difference?

[GodChaser]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1299403' date='Jun 21 2007, 08:00 AM']Thou I'd like to accept credit for these words, displaying genuine love for my fellow Christians in humanity, I can't really take credit for it, since it was St. John Chrysostom that inspired it. As he wrote that we should never go around condemning individuals as "heretics", just because we don't agree with them religiously, but we should condemn institutions that lead the children of God astry, not the children of God themselves.

Reza[/quote]
I didn't know that was the person you were trying to emulate, but still, you would not be living that way, unless the spirit testified that to you, which shows you are a born again christian.

Akaylte maybe religious, but his words are filled with contempt and hatred. He has a good heart though, from what I read about his desire to fight the coming darkness, to which I commend him for, at least it shows God's conviction of right and wrong. Maybe, one day, God will one day come into his life, and humble him to have brotherly love for all peoples, and show forth the love of his father.

I haven't commented on your thread about filming a music video in front of a Abortion clinic, but I think the first part is cool. Public Property is Public Property. But inside, probably not a great idea.

[Akalyte]

i dont hate. I dislike and I'm rigid. I understand not everyone one should be thrown in the same category but it all seems the same.

[Totus Tuus]

I agree with those who have said that most Protestants are not using the Bible to tell the future. The ones who are... well, let's just pray for 'em. It seems a lack of trust in Divine Providence would motivate that.

[Norseman82]

The main rule in dealing with Protestants and TV preachers: 10% of the population makes 90% of the noise.

[GodChaser]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1299657' date='Jun 21 2007, 09:08 PM']i dont hate. I dislike and I'm rigid. I understand not everyone one should be thrown in the same category but it all seems the same.[/quote]
My experience, there are decievers, like the Jack Van Impes, and the guy who wrote the Left Behind series, and Jack Chick, and Schofield and Darby. They are heretics, and they will have to face the fury of God for their blasphamies of the future, and how it unravels.

Then there are the decieved. Not all decieved are damned to hell, because they are obeying what they have been taught by others. If trust in the saviours life, death, and resurrection, and they have given their obedience to Jesus Christ, they are saved.

Then there are the ones coming out of deception, and all of us are still decieved on a few things, guareenteed, but are starting to unravel the deceptions, and helping others to understand.

You're a new convert too, a year or two in believe you told me. You need a little bit of mentorship, that's all. I've been serving God, starting at "My Heretic" Church about 9 years ago. The day I repented of my sins, and was baptized in the holy and exalted name of our beautiful Lord, God, Redeemer, and Saviour Jesus Christ - which was Feb 8th, 1998.

Remember, we are all in the body of Christ, and hopefully, we will learn how to listen to the voice of God, and obey him by reading the scriptures everyday. I think of the bible as two things, one is to learn how to live ones life every day, while at the same time, giving us expectations of what is to come for those who are truly living in the spirit, that way we can navigate through this world with ease, like we are just passing through.

Jesus did command us to know the signs of the times. I don't know exact dates on anything. I know for a fact, nobody does. But I can see the signs and follow them.

That is why I am not so upset and afraid when I hear stuff like War in Iran. The ones who have decided we are to go to another war to fight for Gold, Oil, and Drugs, their god, will soon have the True God of Israel pass judgment on them for their disobeidence to him.

And since every murder (a life ended unnaturally) is the responsibility of the Whore of Babylon, I can say without a doubt, the one who wants this war in Iran is the Whore or Babylon.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1299657' date='Jun 21 2007, 08:08 PM']i dont hate. I dislike and I'm rigid. I understand not everyone one should be thrown in the same category but it all seems the same.[/quote]

What's kinda interesting is that alot of the outside world views Roman Catholics like this too.... a few priests molest children, "they all do that". I believe it was Rosie O'Donnell that made a statement like this on her television program. Over Stereotypes and judgements of hatred like that, that have a clear agenda that isn't found in the teachings of Jesus Christ are wrong and there's no excuse for it.

Reza

[GodChaser]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1299736' date='Jun 22 2007, 12:58 AM']What's kinda interesting is that alot of the outside world views Roman Catholics like this too.... a few priests molest children, "they all do that". I believe it was Rosie O'Donnell that made a statement like this on her television program. Over Stereotypes and judgements of hatred like that, that have a clear agenda that isn't found in the teachings of Jesus Christ are wrong and there's no excuse for it.

Reza[/quote]
I guareentee the priests who are doing this are just saying they are Christian. Remember the parable of the wheat and the tares. The wheat is the believers, and amongst them, the devil puts his 'children' into their midst. These wolves in sheeps clothing are coming to make a bad name for any Christian Group.

So Rosie is just quick to judge, because she doesn't know the word of God. Those evil satanic men who profess to believe and serve the Christ need some old testament judgement passed on them. I say, we find each and every monster who destroys every young child and behead them in front of everybody on national television!

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1299785' date='Jun 22 2007, 07:45 AM']I guareentee the priests who are doing this are just saying they are Christian. Remember the parable of the wheat and the tares. The wheat is the believers, and amongst them, the devil puts his 'children' into their midst. These wolves in sheeps clothing are coming to make a bad name for any Christian Group.

So Rosie is just quick to judge, because she doesn't know the word of God. Those evil satanic men who profess to believe and serve the Christ need some old testament judgement passed on them. I say, we find each and every monster who destroys every young child and behead them in front of everybody on national television![/quote]

I think that it's a quick lesson [as I gave to brother A] that we shouldn't judge an entire demographic, just because of a few bad applies.

[Budge]

[quote]Apocalypse was not written to satisfy idle curiosity about the future. It was not written to contradict our Lord's own words about the last times,"of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but the father only" (Mt 24:36). And "you do not know at what hour your Lord is to come" (v.42). It was not written to provide a blueprint by which a person of ingenuity could plot the future course and destiny of peoples and nations down into our present time. (people have, it is true, dreadfully misused the Apocalypse in this way for countless generations, and invariably they have found it's "revelation" playing out just as it reaches their lifetime-it is easier, it seems, to fit prophecy into the convenient mold of the past which is known than to be equally sure of the future.) Above all, it was not written to frighten us, to cause us to despair, but to console and reassure faith.[/quote]It was written to PREPARE and warn Christians for the deceptions of the last days and have them look forward to the second coming of Christ. If you do not take its warnings and preparations seriously, you are left with being deceived. In fact one main thing I post about here all the time, the interfaith movement is warned of in Revelation, and because Catholics are told not to look to Revelation as describing the last days--most here discount what Revelation warns about there, though I run into the occasional Catholic who believes in that we are close to the last days and who takes Revelation more seriously. My Catholic family is actually pre-trib from me, LOL, they dont even know what amillenialism IS...

Actually there is nothing wrong with frightening people, yeah, does that shock you...if being afraid of hell gets someone on the road to being saved...no problem there.

[quote]

we are not so optimistic as to think that any amount of common sense words on the Apocalypse will keep it from being misused by those who have made it (or rather, their misunderstanding of it) the essence of their religion and life.[/quote]

Its part of the Bible isnt it?

Revelation is why I know no G8 and United Nations is going to make a utopia of the planet unlike the Vatican.

Revelation is why ALL my hope is in JESUS CHRIST NOT in this world..


The difference here is that I believe the happenings in Revelation will actually happen {yes I know some are written in figurative languge} while many Catholics have allegorized the book into nothingness.

The 300 prophecies that point to Jesus Christ in the OT, REALLY happened.

and so will REVELATION.

[Akalyte]

[quote name='Budge' post='1299921' date='Jun 22 2007, 04:42 PM']It was written to PREPARE and warn Christians for the deceptions of the last days and have them look forward to the second coming of Christ. If you do not take its warnings and preparations seriously, you are left with being deceived. In fact one main thing I post about here all the time, the interfaith movement is warned of in Revelation, and because Catholics are told not to look to Revelation as describing the last days--most here discount what Revelation warns about there, though I run into the occasional Catholic who believes in that we are close to the last days and who takes Revelation more seriously. My Catholic family is actually pre-trib from me, LOL, they dont even know what amillenialism IS...

Actually there is nothing wrong with frightening people, yeah, does that shock you...if being afraid of hell gets someone on the road to being saved...no problem there.



Its part of the Bible isnt it?

Revelation is why I know no G8 and United Nations is going to make a utopia of the planet unlike the Vatican.

Revelation is why ALL my hope is in JESUS CHRIST NOT in this world..
The difference here is that I believe the happenings in Revelation will actually happen {yes I know some are written in figurative languge} while many Catholics have allegorized the book into nothingness.

The 300 prophecies that point to Jesus Christ in the OT, REALLY happened.

and so will REVELATION.[/quote]
Catholics don't deny the truths in Revelation as you think. We just arent obsessed with the book like you and your fundy friends. Besides who are you to tell us anything. The bible came out of our church not yours. We also have the whole bible to enjoy, not just the last book. Gotta go now, i dont have time to talk to the wall.

Edited June 23, 2007 by Akalyte

[Akalyte]

Here: read this

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm[/url]

[GodChaser]

[quote name='Budge' post='1299921' date='Jun 22 2007, 03:42 PM']It was written to PREPARE and warn Christians for the deceptions of the last days and have them look forward to the second coming of Christ. If you do not take its warnings and preparations seriously, you are left with being deceived. In fact one main thing I post about here all the time, the interfaith movement is warned of in Revelation, and because Catholics are told not to look to Revelation as describing the last days--most here discount what Revelation warns about there, though I run into the occasional Catholic who believes in that we are close to the last days and who takes Revelation more seriously. My Catholic family is actually pre-trib from me, LOL, they dont even know what amillenialism IS...

Actually there is nothing wrong with frightening people, yeah, does that shock you...if being afraid of hell gets someone on the road to being saved...no problem there.



Its part of the Bible isnt it?

Revelation is why I know no G8 and United Nations is going to make a utopia of the planet unlike the Vatican.

Revelation is why ALL my hope is in JESUS CHRIST NOT in this world..
The difference here is that I believe the happenings in Revelation will actually happen {yes I know some are written in figurative languge} while many Catholics have allegorized the book into nothingness.

The 300 prophecies that point to Jesus Christ in the OT, REALLY happened.

and so will REVELATION.[/quote]
And to bring up one point, the two prophecies in the Book of Revelation that will come true which totallty disproves your Pre-Trib, Charles Darby FreeMasonry influence is, there are people who will be beheaded for the witness of Christ. But how can people have a witness in Christ, unless someone taught them about Jesus? And if someone taught them about Jesus, that means the believers are still here in the tribulation.

Second prophecy to come true is nobody enters into the Tabernacle of temple of the testiomy until the seven vials are poured out onto the world, passing judgement on the Spirit of Babylon. Sorry Budge, you and your family have to go through the tribulation. It's not going to be pleasant, but you do.

BTW budge, if you claim you are apart of the faith of the Apostles, they never taught people weren't going through the tribulation. That wasn't introduced until the 1830s by Charles Darby, a FreeMason and a liar. He is going to face God's judgement for his lies and heresies!

[Paddington]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1300003' date='Jun 22 2007, 11:36 PM']That wasn't introduced until the 1830s by Charles Darby, a FreeMason and a liar. He is going to face God's judgement for his lies and heresies![/quote]

GodChaser,

What if you didn't say stuff like that?
What if Darby repented before he died? Or if he was deceived really bad. Like he ate the 19th century equivalent of paint chips or something.
Just saying.

Peace,
Paddington

[GodChaser]

[quote name='Paddington' post='1300007' date='Jun 22 2007, 08:22 PM']GodChaser,

What if you didn't say stuff like that?
What if Darby repented before he died? Or if he was deceived really bad. Like he ate the 19th century equivalent of paint chips or something.
Just saying.

Peace,
Paddington[/quote]
Always possible, but even if we are saved, we must give an account for our works before God.

I've heard of Illuminists who repent on their sins from Alex Jones, so it is entirely possible that someone who is decieved to be saved.

I'm a little hardnosed though. It's because I take the word of God, and rightly dividing the word seriously, even as a new convert, so many years ago. It just upsets me to see people take the word of God and create any ungodly doctrine out of it, by twisting scriptures.

[Budge]

[quote]And to bring up one point, the two prophecies in the Book of Revelation that will come true which totallty disproves your Pre-Trib, Charles Darby FreeMasonry influence is, there are people who will be beheaded for the witness of Christ. But how can people have a witness in Christ, unless someone taught them about Jesus? And if someone taught them about Jesus, that means the believers are still here in the tribulation.

Second prophecy to come true is nobody enters into the Tabernacle of temple of the testiomy until the seven vials are poured out onto the world, passing judgement on the Spirit of Babylon. Sorry Budge, you and your family have to go through the tribulation. It's not going to be pleasant, but you do.

BTW budge, if you claim you are apart of the faith of the Apostles, they never taught people weren't going through the tribulation. That wasn't introduced until the 1830s by Charles Darby, a FreeMason and a liar. He is going to face God's judgement for his lies and heresies![/quote]



I do believe CHristians will face more and more persecution as we get closer to the last days..

But there is no way, that Christians will face the WRATH...{why would they?}

some questions for you here:
[b]
Does the groom beat up the bride {church} before having the wedding supper?[/b]

Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and [b]pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.[/b]

Why would Christians be receivers of God's wrath?

[b]Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.[/b]

Why would those who obey the truth receive wrath?

Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

and THIS VERSE:
[u][b]
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,[/b][/u]

If Noah and his family was spared the flood in the ARK, why would Christians be left to receive Gods Wrath on earth?

It makes no sense.

[GodChaser]

[quote name='Budge' post='1300133' date='Jun 23 2007, 08:10 AM']I do believe CHristians will face more and more persecution as we get closer to the last days..

But there is no way, that Christians will face the WRATH...{why would they?}

some questions for you here:
[b]
Does the groom beat up the bride {church} before having the wedding supper?[/b]

Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and [b]pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.[/b]

Why would Christians be receivers of God's wrath?

[b]Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.[/b]

Why would those who obey the truth receive wrath?

Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

and THIS VERSE:
[u][b]
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,[/b][/u]

If Noah and his family was spared the flood in the ARK, why would Christians be left to receive Gods Wrath on earth?

It makes no sense.[/quote]
I Know we go through the tribulation Budge, and while it is happening, I don't believe any wrath will be poured out on me. The fact the second seal has been opened, the War on Terror, which is waking people up to the New World Order daily - fraustrating the ones who wanted us to give up on our liberties, I know there are more seals and more vials and more trumpets to come. Every seal that is opened, a vial is poured out, and a trumpet sounds, because God does things in 3s!

They wanted a war for us to kill each other off, but what is happening, is we are learning and resisting them, so the war is really not between Christianity and Islam, but the believers and the decievers!

[Budge]

[quote]They wanted a war for us to kill each other off, but what is happening, is we are learning and resisting them, so the war is really not between Christianity and Islam, but the believers and the decievers![/quote]

Dont tell me, you think the world is all going to come together as "one" a la John Lennon?

The Islamics are merely one branch of Mystery Babylon which has COUNTERFEIT Christianity at its forefront--Catholicism and the daughters of apostate Protestantism.

bTW, the war is coming....its right in Revelation.

[Budge]

[quote]I don't believe any wrath will be poured out on me.[/quote]

If youre here on earth during the trib, IT WILL BE.

[GodChaser]

[quote name='Budge' post='1300495' date='Jun 24 2007, 09:24 AM']If youre here on earth during the trib, IT WILL BE.[/quote]
I hate to tell you Budge, Charles Darby is a Free Mason. The man who wrote the Left Behind series is a 33rd degree Free Mason, bad news since that means he worships Lucifer.

Scripturally, the church is used as a spiritual agent to take back the world, and bring revival to Israel. Only after we make the enimies of the lord his footstool, does the Lord comeback, and that can only be after the Father passes judgement on the NWO for it's judgments against the followers of the Christ.

The Rapture isn't going to happen until after the Tribulation Budge.

[Budge]

The Left behind series is full of false things...read Gods Wrath on Left Behind..

However I dont need Darby to tell me what the Bible says or doesnt say.

As to the timing of the Rapture I am definitely PRE-WRATH. Gods saints are not called to wrath. May as well ignore the fact that God saved Noah and his family from the flood.

Hey if you want to stay, I cant stop you...me Im saying COME QUICKLY LORD JESUS!

oh wanted to add this in response to poster who wrote this:

[quote]Apocalypse was not written to satisfy idle curiosity about the future.[/quote]


Re 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and [b]the things which shall be hereafter[/b];

JOHN WRITES THAT IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE....

Edited June 25, 2007 by Budge