Vatican's Chief Exorcist Repeats Condemnation Of Harry Potter Nove

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kateri05' post='1330288' date='Jul 15 2007, 09:50 PM']its not at ALL pointless. statements made as the Vicar of Christ are VERY different in authority, weight and content than statements made by a cardinal in personal correspondence. even the pope recognizes this, tho you may not, by choosing to publish his last book on Christ under his own name and NOT as Pope.

that being said, the Pope's comment in his letter is MUCH more along the lines of what Micah referred to earlier, about such topics being dangerous for those who are not well formed, not by people who have formed consciences.
people need to relax and get a life! [/quote]

I still think it to be pointless when no evidence has been given that his mind has changed. And since he has allowed his chief exorcist to condemn potter as satanic with no rebuke whatsoever is interesting indeed. How so many can just brush The Holy See's Chief Exorcist off is surprising... and and somewhat depressing...

I would also add we who think potter is satanic have lives, and souls. And we dont think we're better than anyone else least I dont, and I'm sure the chief exorcist doesn't. It simply caring for the salvation of souls, and the rebuke of evil.

[jeffpugh]

[quote]Harry Potter is gay[/quote]
wha-?

Edited July 16, 2007 by Sacred Music Man

[Sojourner]

[quote name='kateri05' post='1330288' date='Jul 15 2007, 09:50 PM']people need to relax and get a life! [/quote]
um yeah

[KnightofChrist]

To be honest... I somewhat offended by the "get a life" comments... Again, we who think potter is satanic [b]have lives[/b] by God, and souls! And we dont think we're better than anyone else least I dont, and I'm sure the chief exorcist doesn't. It simply caring for the salvation of souls, and the rebuke of evil. Should Fr. Amorth get a life? No... I didnt think so...

[saint_wannabe]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1330323' date='Jul 15 2007, 10:16 PM']To be honest... I somewhat offended by the "get a life" comments... Again, we who think potter is satanic [b]have lives[/b] by God, and souls! And we dont think we're better than anyone else least I dont, and I'm sure the chief exorcist doesn't. It simply caring for the salvation of souls, and the rebuke of evil. Should Fr. Amorth get a life? No... I didnt think so...[/quote]

i agree.
the only reason i posted this thread is to let you guys know how bad it is. but for some reason you guys still brush it off like its nothing.

[johnnydigit]

[quote name='gamesfanatic04' post='1329733' date='Jul 15 2007, 02:10 PM'] I would expect that kind of thing from protestants. It's really to bad, they are very good books and they get children to read, and reading leads to actually learning something.[/quote]

[quote name='saint_wannabe' post='1330102' date='Jul 15 2007, 07:34 PM']but this is the chief exorcist of the Vatican who is against it, and this isnt some average dude he has exorcised over 50,000 demons he knows a thing or too about evil
and also even the pope Benedict is against these book. i still dont understand why you guys are for it.[/quote]

yep. as much as people like it, as much as it seems to help people, and as much as it *seems* innocent, we need to listen to our Church and those left in authority. we need to trust that they know what they are talking about, and that they care for us just as Jesus did. Jesus specifically left them in charge to guide us.

i like the story about the baby and the knife. he sees a shiny object and wants to play with it, but the mother and father see a dangerous knife that can harm him. the baby cries when it is taken away and doesn't know why, but the parents do it anyways for his own good.

if you want to follow Christ faithfully, trust that they know what is good for you. there are plenty of other means of reading, and plenty of other means of entertainment. if you insist on pursuing this one fight, learn about why they feel this way and fully give them the benefit of the doubt before raising your arms in protest. do the research, learn the theology, and you may be surprised to see what you couldn't see before. and if you do protest, go through the proper channels and be patient, even if you don't get results right away, or even in your lifetime (sounds familiar?).

[Sojourner]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1330323' date='Jul 15 2007, 10:16 PM']To be honest... I somewhat offended by the "get a life" comments... Again, we who think potter is satanic [b]have lives[/b] by God, and souls! And we dont think we're better than anyone else least I dont, and I'm sure the chief exorcist doesn't. It simply caring for the salvation of souls, and the rebuke of evil. Should Fr. Amorth get a life? No... I didnt think so...[/quote]
I appreciate Fr. Amorth's opinion, but I am more inclined to believe that the imagery she uses in the book is more in line with the article that I posted rather than being Satanic. While Fr. Amorth's opinion is of course weighty, I happen to disagree with him on this point of literary interpretation.

[KnightofChrist]

With the utmost respect I would pray that the faithful take into greater account, listen and follow the words of Fr. Amorth who is an expert on what is and what is not satanic instead on the words however well intended of someone that is not an expert on such matters.

[kateri05]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1330292' date='Jul 15 2007, 08:53 PM']Harry Potter is gay.[/quote]


gasp : seriously tho, he's totally ending up with Ginny, i'm calling it right now

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='kateri05' post='1330348' date='Jul 15 2007, 10:42 PM']gasp : seriously tho, he's totally ending up with Ginny, i'm calling it right now [/quote]
Hmm.. That must be what he's so gay about. That'll do it.

[kateri05]

[quote name='saint_wannabe' post='1330327' date='Jul 15 2007, 09:20 PM']i agree.
the only reason i posted this thread is to let you guys know how bad it is. but for some reason you guys still brush it off like its nothing.[/quote]


i'm sorry, that wasn't very charitable.

its just that this subject has been beaten to death on phatmass and the same exorcist article gets recycled every few months. and then people make very "judgey" comments on the catholicity of those who do like harry potter, as tho we are on the brink of dabbling in the occult and need our souls pulled back from the abyss of death. i'm not accuding you of that, i'm just saying this is the pattern of what happens.

and i do respect his opinion of Fr. Amorth, however he is not the head of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith making a binding pronouncement on the faithful and i agree with terra on disagreeing over this point of literary interpretation.

[kateri05]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1330353' date='Jul 15 2007, 09:44 PM']Hmm.. That must be what he's so gay about. That'll do it.[/quote]

typical anti-Weasley prejudice. its because they havea big family isn't it? ugh. people are so closeminded



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[Laudate_Dominum]

I like Fr. Amorth’s views on the Liturgy, but I won't hi-jack this thread.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1330361' date='Jul 15 2007, 11:50 PM']I like Fr. Amorth’s views on the Liturgy, but I won't hi-jack this thread. [/quote]
I second that.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1330340' date='Jul 15 2007, 11:39 PM']With the utmost respect I would pray that the faithful take into greater account, listen and follow the words of Fr. Amorth who is an expert on what is and what is not satanic instead on the words however well intended of someone that is not an expert on such matters.[/quote]

I do agree with that. This is a man who's in the business of dealing with such things in the real world. It is not something to be taken lightly, and I would give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows somethings about this.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1330374' date='Jul 15 2007, 11:18 PM']I do agree with that. This is a man who's in the business of dealing with such things in the real world. It is not something to be taken lightly, and I would give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows somethings about this.[/quote]
He could make the same statements about, say, Lord of the Rings.

Or the Chronicles of Narnia.

Or any number of writers who use magic as a literary tool.

My belief is that Rowlings is not promoting magic or the study of magic, but is using it in as an allegorical means to communicate a larger truth, as the article I posted demonstrates.

Fr. Amorth is well-versed in his field, to be sure, but I have never seen him lauded in the area of literary criticism and interpretation, and his take on this particular matter strikes me as as superficial read of the novels that misses the deeper meanings Rowlings intends to communicate.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1330573' date='Jul 16 2007, 08:47 AM']He could make the same statements about, say, Lord of the Rings.

Or the Chronicles of Narnia.

Or any number of writers who use magic as a literary tool.

My belief is that Rowlings is not promoting magic or the study of magic, but is using it in as an allegorical means to communicate a larger truth, as the article I posted demonstrates.[/quote]


It seems a little more serious than that. Why would she use [i]real[/i] Latin spells in the book if it wasn't about learning magic? She could have, like Tolkien, made up her own so that dangerous ground wouldn't be tread.

To me, the difference between Lewis & Tolkien, and then Rowling, is that the Tolkien and Lewis were communicating Truth in its fullness, as seen from the Christian perspective. Rowling might have some good v. evil in her books, but I (talking about myself, when I watch it) don't see the "good" characters as that good. They're dark, they're witches/wizards, they don't really have a high goal that I'm aware of. And they all seem to have dark secrets. There's nothing light about them, no redemption.

I'm just talking about my experience with Harry Potter here. I don't find a redeeming quality in HP.

[kujo]

[quote name='johnnydigit' post='1330328' date='Jul 16 2007, 12:21 AM']yep. as much as people like it, as much as it seems to help people, and as much as it *seems* innocent, we need to listen to our Church and those left in authority. we need to trust that they know what they are talking about, and that they care for us just as Jesus did. Jesus specifically left them in charge to guide us.[/quote]

Until I see a document, signed by Pope Benedict XVI, instructing me NOT TO READ THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS, this is all tripe. We as Catholics are not called to just listen blindly to whatever a cardinal or a priest or a bishop tells us to do; rather, we are called to use the judgment that God gave to us in order to make the best decisions. I will listen to these people's points of view, but it's ultimately my decision whether or not to follow their instructions because a) it is not an order by the Pope and b) it is not an infallible statement. These people could be wrong.

Move on, people. Go outside and get some fresh air.

[Didymus]

yeah, it's beginning to smell bad in here...

Edited July 16, 2007 by Didymus

[KnightofChrist]

Tripe is something of no value. There'll never be a signed document by the Pope on the matter. We do have however statements by public with permission that the potter books are subtle seductions. Only Satan seduces...

Potter supporters are taking all this way too personal...

Edited July 16, 2007 by KnightofChrist