Why Obama Is Not An Antichrist

[Guest]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1695542' date='Nov 6 2008, 03:32 AM']Is the support of genocide of Children rejection of God?[/quote]

ya i would say so
i dont think president obama see's it that way but its no excuse.
he needs prayers big time

[Slappo]

Delivery Boy,
An antichrist is not someone who cannot be saved... in case you were confused on that.

All that antichrist means is someone who is against Christ. Don't look at the word deny as in "disbelief"

When you ask me for $20 and I deny you that $20, there isn't a disbelief... there is a refusal.

Obama, by his choices is refusing to follow Christ. "He who is not for me is against me"
Obama is against upholding the truth, and therefore against Christ.

Unfortunately, antichrist fits VERY many people.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1695542' date='Nov 6 2008, 03:32 AM']"it would appear that Antichrist will be led on from rejecting the SON of GOD, to the rejection of GOD altogether, either by *[b]implication[/b] or practically."

Cardinal John Henry Newman from his [url="http://www.conventhill.com/endtimes/newman2.htm"]sermon[/url] on I JOHN 4:3

[b]implication[/b]: Conveyed indirectly without words or speech

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Is the support of genocide of Children rejection of God?[/quote]


[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1695545' date='Nov 6 2008, 03:33 AM']From St. Augustine's homily on 1 John:

"All heretics, all schismatics went out from us, that is, they go out from the Church; but they would not go out, if they were of us. Therefore, before they went out they were not of us. If before they went out they were not of us, many are within, are not gone out, but yet are antichrists. We dare to say this: and why, but that each one while he is within may not be an antichrist? For he is about to describe and mark the antichrists, and we shall see them now. And each person ought to question his own conscience, whether he be an antichrist. [i][b]For antichrist in our tongue means, contrary to Christ.[/b][/i]"[/quote]





This debate is now over. Good night/morning...

Edited November 6, 2008 by KnightofChrist

[Guest]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1695545' date='Nov 6 2008, 03:33 AM']From St. Augustine's homily on 1 John:

"All heretics, all schismatics went out from us, that is, they go out from the Church; but they would not go out, if they were of us. Therefore, before they went out they were not of us. If before they went out they were not of us, many are within, are not gone out, but yet are antichrists. We dare to say this: and why, but that each one while he is within may not be an antichrist? For he is about to describe and mark the antichrists, and we shall see them now. And each person ought to question his own conscience, whether he be an antichrist. [i][b]For antichrist in our tongue means, contrary to Christ.[/b][/i]"[/quote]

wow that is pretty deep

i really fell away
i was baptised as a baby and went to ccd and got confirmed but then lost my faith.
and i came back to "my faith" by reading the bible and watching tbn.
and still i was lost without even knowing it.
kinda crazy

Edited November 6, 2008 by Guest

[Guest]

[quote name='Slappo' post='1695548' date='Nov 6 2008, 03:34 AM']Delivery Boy,
An antichrist is not someone who cannot be saved... in case you were confused on that.

All that antichrist means is someone who is against Christ. Don't look at the word deny as in "disbelief"

When you ask me for $20 and I deny you that $20, there isn't a disbelief... there is a refusal.

Obama, by his choices is refusing to follow Christ. "He who is not for me is against me"
Obama is against upholding the truth, and therefore against Christ.

Unfortunately, antichrist fits VERY many people.[/quote]

i see what you are saying
that makes sence
thanks bro

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Slappo' post='1695548' date='Nov 6 2008, 12:34 AM']Unfortunately, antichrist fits VERY many people.[/quote]
Yes, unfortunately it does.

[Guest]

just want to say its threads like these where i learn the most. i cringe when going back and reading them though. it shows how lousy of a person i am and how much i need god in my life. i wasnt charitable at all but i think that made the responces even tougher on me, which is good. thanks for taking the time to help me out. you guys are some knowlegable catholics. im glad were on the internet and no one can see me lol apo woulud of decked me if we were in person. sorry again man.

Edited November 6, 2008 by Guest

[Akalyte]

In Luke 10:18 Jesus states,

“I beheld Satan as Lightning fall from Heaven.”

How does a Jewish Rabbi, which Jesus is credited with being (John 1:38), say in HEBREW, that Satan is like LIGHTNING from heaven?

Barack, also transliterated as Baraq in Hebrew, is LIGHTNING (Strongs Hebrew word 1300). Even in Greek, Barak is LIGHTNING (Strongs Greek word 913) for the name of a person!

The ONLY WAY, a Jewish Rabbi can say in Hebrew that SATAN is LIGHTNING is, SATAN BARACK!

Interestingly, the “Greek” verse of Luke 10:18 does not contain an actual Greek word to translate into “Fall”. The Greek word translated as “Fall” appears to be a rare form of a Hebrew word for “transgressions”. So, the words of Jesus in this verse probably refer to heavenly transgressions.

In Hebrew poetry from the dominant book that the New Testament draws upon, to validate the “works” of Jesus as “proof” of poetic prophecy, the use of BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the “heights” of heaven. That book is Isaiah. Christian scholars would agree, that much of the New Testament refers directly to passages of Isaiah's poetry.

Isaiah is also the source of origin for the Christian concept of “Satan” or “Lucifer” Isaiah 14:12.

In the verses of Isaiah that refer directly to “Lucifer” in King James translations of Isaiah, sure enough, BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the “Heights” of Heaven (Isaiah 14:14)!

In Hebrew, the letter vau is transliterated as an “O” or “U”. It is primarily used as a conjunction to join concepts together. So, to “join” in Hebrew poetry the concept of lightning (Barack) and a high place like heaven or the “Heights of Heaven”, the letter “O” or Hebrew vau would be used. Bama is most commonly used to refer to a high sacred place, as well as to the “Heights” of the heavens or clouds.

So, Barack O Bama in Hebrew poetry, similar to the style of Isaiah, would translate literally as Lightning and the “Heights” of the sky or heaven!

Satan is Satan in Hebrew. So the Jesus “Prophecy” of Luke 10:18, if spoken actually by a Jewish Rabbi influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, would have said the verse Luke 10:18 as ;

Satan Barack O Bama

That would be Hebrew for Satan is Lightning (Barack) and the heights (BAMA) of heaven or the sky.

Since the oldest copy of Luke 10:18 is recorded in Greek, the only word we need to add, is the incorrectly translated word for a “fall”. Thus far, Christian scholars claim the word translated as “fall” is Strongs Greek 4098, Pipto. In Luke 10:18, in GREEK, Pipto is not used. The word is pesouta. This is probably a Greek phonetic usage of the Hebrew word. Like Satan is Hebrew and translated phonetically as a Hebrew word, it seems pesouta, a Hebrew word, was not correctly translated, since a Greek word NOT IN THE GREEK TEXT for “fall” is credited by scholars as being in the Satan is Barack (Lightning) verse.

The Hebrew root of pesouta is a word normally used to refer to a “transgression” or a sin.

Pesa (Strongs Hebrew word 6588) refers to a revolt, rebellion or sin, a “transgression”. This is the exact concept normally associated with “Satan” in Christian theology.

So, Luke 10:18 is correctly translated as;

“Satan is like Lightning (Barack) and the Highest (Bama) heavenly rebellion/sin/transgression!!

While Christians consider “Sin” a humanly “fall” from Grace, the Greek word for a “fall” is not used in Luke 10:18.

Interestingly, we now have a political leader on the threshold of obtaining control of the largest arsenal of NUCLEAR WARHEADS on this planet!

If you were SATAN, or Barack (Hebrew for Lightning), what army would you try to take control of, so you could unleash 10,000 NUKES upon mankind and DESTROY what he hates (Humanity)?

That army, is the army of the United States of America!

Interestingly, another world figure named Barack, is already in control of over 100 NUKES! The minister of Defense of Israel is named Barack!

The New Testament records Jesus saying LIGHTNING, or Barack in Hebrew, only three times! Luke 10:18 is clear. SATAN is BARACK or Lightning!

In Matthew 24:27, Jesus explains how his “coming” will be connected to LIGHTNING (Barack)!

Matt 24:27
“For as the Lightning (Barack) cometh out of the east and shineth unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be!”

The Greek word translated as “For” in this verse is gar (Strongs Greek word 1063). This word can also be translated as SEEING or WHEN. So seeing Barack or when Barack comes from the east and shines unto the west is a TIMING EVENT for the “Coming of Jesus”!

Barack Obama grew up in the “East”, in the country of Indonesia! His political career is now about to shine upon the West, the United States!

Can it be, the “Coming of the Son of Man” is nigh?

According to New Testament verses, Lightning or Barack is SATAN and his travels from the East in Indonesia to his accession to the throne of power in the West, the United States, signals the “Coming of the Son of Man”!

In Luke 17:24, Jesus once again uses Lightning (Barack aka SATAN) for a timing prophecy of his “Coming”!

Once again, the Greek word gar (Strongs Greek word 1063) is translated as “for”. However, it is also “seeing” or “when”. So, Luke 17:24 can also be read as:
“Seeing/when lightning (Barack) comes out of Heaven... so shall also the Son of man be in his day!”

So, Jesus used Lightning (Barack in Hebrew) to literally describe SATAN! He then tied his “Coming” to the appearance of “Barack” or Lightning aka SATAN! Many political pundits describe the charisma of Barack Obama as “Messianic”! Perhaps they should read their Bibles closer and see it is really SATANIC CONTROL!

The modern “Jewish” concept of SATAN is not like the Christian concept of SATAN! “Jews” with a traditional “Jewish” view of the Old Testament consider SATAN to be an “accuser” or an “opponent”, not a “fallen angel” out to DESTROY Mankind!

In fact, SATAN is actually two different words in Hebrew. The second SATAN means literally PISS ON THE WALL! In fact, the Hebrew word SIN means the same thing PISS ON THE WALL! (See Strongs Hebrew word 8366 = Satan/Piss/Sin).

The Satan Christians comprehend, is Strongs Hebrew words 7853 and 7854. The ADVERSARY, slanderer, opponent or accuser!

The Christian version of Satan was influenced by the Greek version of the Old Testament, created about 300 B.C., the Greek Septuaginta.

That Greek view of “Satan” probably emanated from contemporary Hebrew thought that was not part of mainstream Judaism. That view, was of the separatist Jews now known as the “Essenes”. The Essenic concept of a Great War in Heaven between the Sons of God was written about in Essenic literature that is not part of traditional Bibles now. However, their poetic prose about the “Great Battle” between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness were rediscovered not long before Barack was born! That discovery was the Dead Sea Scrolls!

Most Christian Scholars now connect Jesus to the group of Essenes that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, primarily due to their communal concept of life, devotion to a minimalistic lifestyle almost in poverty, and of course ritual bathing or baptism. The Essenes were also acclaimed “Healers”, in the mode of the “Miracles” of the New Testament!

So, is Satan like what “Jews” are taught? An accuser? Or PISS ON THE WALL? Or, is Satan really LIGHTNING/BARACK who now strolls the earth, walking to and fro, and about to take CONTROL of over 10,000 NUKES?

If SATAN is a real diabolic fallen “angel”, then the rise of Satan/Lightning/Barack is THE SIGN that the COMING of IMMANUEL is nigh...

Edited November 6, 2008 by Akalyte

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1695550' date='Nov 6 2008, 02:36 AM']wow that is pretty deep

i really fell away
i was baptised as a baby and went to ccd and got confirmed but then lost my faith.
and i came back to "my faith" by reading the bible and watching tbn.
and still i was lost without even knowing it.
kinda crazy[/quote]

Did you watch the Crouches?
[img]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/PaulJanCrouch.jpg[/img]

[MartinLuther22]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1695549' date='Nov 6 2008, 07:35 PM']This debate is now over. Good night/morning...[/quote]

Newman and St Augustine are not infallible sources. They were not popes. You guys should know that.

Apotheon repeatedly posted that Obama is an antichrist in that picture. The burden of proving that from councils and encyclicals lies with Apotheon.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='MartinLuther22' post='1695607' date='Nov 6 2008, 06:43 AM']Newman and St Augustine are not infallible sources. They were not popes. You guys should know that.

Apotheon repeatedly posted that Obama is an antichrist in that picture. The burden of proving that from councils and encyclicals lies with Apotheon.[/quote]
I would expect a bit more detailed thought from someone with the screen name "Martin Luther."

[Guest]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1695574' date='Nov 6 2008, 06:45 AM']In Luke 10:18 Jesus states,

“I beheld Satan as Lightning fall from Heaven.”

How does a Jewish Rabbi, which Jesus is credited with being (John 1:38), say in HEBREW, that Satan is like LIGHTNING from heaven?

Barack, also transliterated as Baraq in Hebrew, is LIGHTNING (Strongs Hebrew word 1300). Even in Greek, Barak is LIGHTNING (Strongs Greek word 913) for the name of a person!

The ONLY WAY, a Jewish Rabbi can say in Hebrew that SATAN is LIGHTNING is, SATAN BARACK!

Interestingly, the “Greek” verse of Luke 10:18 does not contain an actual Greek word to translate into “Fall”. The Greek word translated as “Fall” appears to be a rare form of a Hebrew word for “transgressions”. So, the words of Jesus in this verse probably refer to heavenly transgressions.

In Hebrew poetry from the dominant book that the New Testament draws upon, to validate the “works” of Jesus as “proof” of poetic prophecy, the use of BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the “heights” of heaven. That book is Isaiah. Christian scholars would agree, that much of the New Testament refers directly to passages of Isaiah's poetry.

Isaiah is also the source of origin for the Christian concept of “Satan” or “Lucifer” Isaiah 14:12.

In the verses of Isaiah that refer directly to “Lucifer” in King James translations of Isaiah, sure enough, BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the “Heights” of Heaven (Isaiah 14:14)!

In Hebrew, the letter vau is transliterated as an “O” or “U”. It is primarily used as a conjunction to join concepts together. So, to “join” in Hebrew poetry the concept of lightning (Barack) and a high place like heaven or the “Heights of Heaven”, the letter “O” or Hebrew vau would be used. Bama is most commonly used to refer to a high sacred place, as well as to the “Heights” of the heavens or clouds.

So, Barack O Bama in Hebrew poetry, similar to the style of Isaiah, would translate literally as Lightning and the “Heights” of the sky or heaven!

Satan is Satan in Hebrew. So the Jesus “Prophecy” of Luke 10:18, if spoken actually by a Jewish Rabbi influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, would have said the verse Luke 10:18 as ;

Satan Barack O Bama

That would be Hebrew for Satan is Lightning (Barack) and the heights (BAMA) of heaven or the sky.

Since the oldest copy of Luke 10:18 is recorded in Greek, the only word we need to add, is the incorrectly translated word for a “fall”. Thus far, Christian scholars claim the word translated as “fall” is Strongs Greek 4098, Pipto. In Luke 10:18, in GREEK, Pipto is not used. The word is pesouta. This is probably a Greek phonetic usage of the Hebrew word. Like Satan is Hebrew and translated phonetically as a Hebrew word, it seems pesouta, a Hebrew word, was not correctly translated, since a Greek word NOT IN THE GREEK TEXT for “fall” is credited by scholars as being in the Satan is Barack (Lightning) verse.

The Hebrew root of pesouta is a word normally used to refer to a “transgression” or a sin.

Pesa (Strongs Hebrew word 6588) refers to a revolt, rebellion or sin, a “transgression”. This is the exact concept normally associated with “Satan” in Christian theology.

So, Luke 10:18 is correctly translated as;

“Satan is like Lightning (Barack) and the Highest (Bama) heavenly rebellion/sin/transgression!!

While Christians consider “Sin” a humanly “fall” from Grace, the Greek word for a “fall” is not used in Luke 10:18.

Interestingly, we now have a political leader on the threshold of obtaining control of the largest arsenal of NUCLEAR WARHEADS on this planet!

If you were SATAN, or Barack (Hebrew for Lightning), what army would you try to take control of, so you could unleash 10,000 NUKES upon mankind and DESTROY what he hates (Humanity)?

That army, is the army of the United States of America!

Interestingly, another world figure named Barack, is already in control of over 100 NUKES! The minister of Defense of Israel is named Barack!

The New Testament records Jesus saying LIGHTNING, or Barack in Hebrew, only three times! Luke 10:18 is clear. SATAN is BARACK or Lightning!

In Matthew 24:27, Jesus explains how his “coming” will be connected to LIGHTNING (Barack)!

Matt 24:27
“For as the Lightning (Barack) cometh out of the east and shineth unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be!”

The Greek word translated as “For” in this verse is gar (Strongs Greek word 1063). This word can also be translated as SEEING or WHEN. So seeing Barack or when Barack comes from the east and shines unto the west is a TIMING EVENT for the “Coming of Jesus”!

Barack Obama grew up in the “East”, in the country of Indonesia! His political career is now about to shine upon the West, the United States!

Can it be, the “Coming of the Son of Man” is nigh?

According to New Testament verses, Lightning or Barack is SATAN and his travels from the East in Indonesia to his accession to the throne of power in the West, the United States, signals the “Coming of the Son of Man”!

In Luke 17:24, Jesus once again uses Lightning (Barack aka SATAN) for a timing prophecy of his “Coming”!

Once again, the Greek word gar (Strongs Greek word 1063) is translated as “for”. However, it is also “seeing” or “when”. So, Luke 17:24 can also be read as:
“Seeing/when lightning (Barack) comes out of Heaven... so shall also the Son of man be in his day!”

So, Jesus used Lightning (Barack in Hebrew) to literally describe SATAN! He then tied his “Coming” to the appearance of “Barack” or Lightning aka SATAN! Many political pundits describe the charisma of Barack Obama as “Messianic”! Perhaps they should read their Bibles closer and see it is really SATANIC CONTROL!

The modern “Jewish” concept of SATAN is not like the Christian concept of SATAN! “Jews” with a traditional “Jewish” view of the Old Testament consider SATAN to be an “accuser” or an “opponent”, not a “fallen angel” out to DESTROY Mankind!

In fact, SATAN is actually two different words in Hebrew. The second SATAN means literally PISS ON THE WALL! In fact, the Hebrew word SIN means the same thing PISS ON THE WALL! (See Strongs Hebrew word 8366 = Satan/Piss/Sin).

The Satan Christians comprehend, is Strongs Hebrew words 7853 and 7854. The ADVERSARY, slanderer, opponent or accuser!

The Christian version of Satan was influenced by the Greek version of the Old Testament, created about 300 B.C., the Greek Septuaginta.

That Greek view of “Satan” probably emanated from contemporary Hebrew thought that was not part of mainstream Judaism. That view, was of the separatist Jews now known as the “Essenes”. The Essenic concept of a Great War in Heaven between the Sons of God was written about in Essenic literature that is not part of traditional Bibles now. However, their poetic prose about the “Great Battle” between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness were rediscovered not long before Barack was born! That discovery was the Dead Sea Scrolls!

Most Christian Scholars now connect Jesus to the group of Essenes that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, primarily due to their communal concept of life, devotion to a minimalistic lifestyle almost in poverty, and of course ritual bathing or baptism. The Essenes were also acclaimed “Healers”, in the mode of the “Miracles” of the New Testament!

So, is Satan like what “Jews” are taught? An accuser? Or PISS ON THE WALL? Or, is Satan really LIGHTNING/BARACK who now strolls the earth, walking to and fro, and about to take CONTROL of over 10,000 NUKES?

If SATAN is a real diabolic fallen “angel”, then the rise of Satan/Lightning/Barack is THE SIGN that the COMING of IMMANUEL is nigh...[/quote]




akalyte whats up ? Godbless you
so you are saying he is actually satan ?

[Saint Therese]

The Crouches are awesome. One time she told a story about how God had resurrected her chicken.
Great stuff.

[Guest]

i hope you answer me akalyte as im really curious

[Saint Therese]

Anyone who embraces principles contrary to the teachings of Jesus is an antichrist.
The term "antichrist" shouldn't be taken to mean what the popular definition has made it.
It doesnt mean you are the devil, just that you work for the devil.
J/jk.

[Seven77]

Akalyte, the author of the stuff you posted is a raving lunatic. Dr. Rabbi Sollog Immanuel Adonai-Adoni is the author--his croutons is circulated on the web...here is his site:

[url="http://www.sollogs.com/prophecies.html"]http://www.sollogs.com/prophecies.html[/url]

Guess what else i found? Dr. Sollog denies the Virgin Birth and Jesus Christ!! That means he ("Dr. Sollog") is an antiChrist!

On yeah and Dr. Sollog apparently thinks he is God.

Edited November 7, 2008 by Seven77

[Guest]

[quote name='Seven77' post='1696018' date='Nov 6 2008, 05:50 PM']Akalyte, the author of the stuff you posted is a raving lunatic. Dr. Rabbi Sollog Immanuel Adonai-Adoni is the author--his croutons is circulated on the web...here is his site:

[url="http://www.sollogs.com/prophecies.html"]http://www.sollogs.com/prophecies.html[/url]

Guess what else i found? Dr. Sollog denies the Virgin Birth and Jesus Christ!! That means he is an antiChrist!

On yeah and Dr. Sollog apparently thinks he is God.[/quote]

ok, so akalyte why are you posting this stuff ?
and i guess i do believe he is an antichrist now

Edited November 6, 2008 by Guest

[eagle_eye222001]

[url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0304bt.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0304bt.asp[/url]

It might have been helpful to look this up earlier and reference it.

Obviously though some such as DeliveryBoy and eagle_eye222001 only thought there could be one big AntiChrist...learn something new almost every day.

[i]
"The deception of the Antichrist will lead to the final crisis of the Church, which will be persecuted almost to the point of extinction and thus will "follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection," only to be saved by the second coming of Christ (CCC 677)."[/i]

The article does state there can be many Antichrists as well.

[Guest]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1696226' date='Nov 6 2008, 10:29 PM'][url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0304bt.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0304bt.asp[/url]

It might have been helpful to look this up earlier and reference it.

Obviously though some such as DeliveryBoy and eagle_eye222001 only thought there could be one big AntiChrist...learn something new almost every day.

[i]
"The deception of the Antichrist will lead to the final crisis of the Church, which will be persecuted almost to the point of extinction and thus will "follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection," only to be saved by the second coming of Christ (CCC 677)."[/i]

The article does state there can be many Antichrists as well.[/quote]


whats up bro

ya i didnt think he was the big one although i didnt think he could be one of the small ones either since he acknowleged christ came in the flesh. but once translated i guess the scripture means other things to, that is where i was getting it mixed up.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1696226' date='Nov 6 2008, 10:29 PM']The article does state there can be many Antichrists as well.[/quote]
Correct.
I may be beating a dead horse, but there [i]are[/i] and [i]have been[/i] many antichrists, but there will be [i]the[/i] Antichrist.
While I could agree that Obama is an antichrist, I don't believe (as of now, anyway) that he is the antichrist.