Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1768670' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:18 PM']I thought we weren't a patriarchy.[/quote] The Pope is the Bishop and Patriarch of Rome. Thus, the Latin Church is a Patriarchal Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768669' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:17 PM']The Church Fathers held that "speculation" leads to heresy and schism.[/quote] We're not speculating about the nature of God or something, I'm speculating about what might happen in a discourse between formerly excommunicated persons and the pope. If you don't think we should be discussing it, then dont' participate in the discussion. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768674' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:20 PM']We're not speculating about the nature of God or something, I'm speculating about what might happen in a discourse between formerly excommunicated persons and the pope. If you don't think we should be discussing it, then dont' participate in the discussion. -Katie[/quote] I never mentioned "theology" in my post. Speculation about matters of discipline can also lead to heresy and schism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768673' date='Feb 1 2009, 04:18 PM']The Pope is the Bishop and Patriarch of Rome. Thus, the Latin Church is a Patriarchal Church.[/quote] Last time time I said our Church was a patriarchy I got attacked for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768676' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:21 PM']I never mentioned "theology" in my post. Speculation about matters of discipline can also lead to heresy and schism.[/quote] Well, you already told me I was a heretic, so I'm not too worried. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768674' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:20 PM']If you don't think we should be discussing it, then dont' participate in the discussion. -Katie[/quote] Discussing it is fine, but trying to set the parameters for the restoration of communion (i.e., saying that the SSPX need to change this or that belief) is irrelevant, because you (and I, and the other participants in this thread) have no say in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768680' date='Feb 1 2009, 04:22 PM']Well, you already told me I was a heretic, so I'm not too worried. -Katie[/quote] ROFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768681' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:22 PM']Discussing it is fine, but trying to set the parameters for the restoration of communion (i.e., saying that the SSPX need to change this or that belief) is irrelevant, because you (and I, and the other participants in this thread) have no say in the matter.[/quote] We're saying what we think should happen. If it doesn't, it doesn't, we'll obey. Like I said, if you don't want to discuss it, you're free not to. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768680' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:22 PM']Well, you already told me I was a heretic, so I'm not too worried. -Katie[/quote] I have never called you a heretic, because I don't have the authority to do so. I have pointed out that some of your comments are heretical, that is, some of your comments do not coordinate with Catholic doctrine. But you are not reducible to your comments. BTW, there are some people here who think that my comments on certain East / West issues are heretical, and they are free to hold their opinion on that matter. That said, I have never taken their comments as a declaration that I am a heretic, because they do not have any authority to say such a thing. Edited February 1, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768685' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:24 PM']We're saying what we think should happen. If it doesn't, it doesn't, we'll obey. Like I said, if you don't want to discuss it, you're free not to. -Katie[/quote] I see. Well I hope that the Pope accepts the SSPX exactly as they are, and then you will be confronted with a choice, accept the Pope's decision or dissent from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768687' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:24 PM']I have never called you a heretic, because I don't have the authority to do so. I have pointed out that some of your comments are heretical, that is, some of your comments do not coordinate with Catholic doctrine. But you are not reducible to your comments.[/quote] You said that my position was heretical. [i]On this issue we shall have to agree to disagree, because I consider your position heretical, and for me to embrace it I would have to apostatize from the Orthodox faith of the Eastern Fathers.[/i] But, whatever. My point is that we are free to have discussions on this board. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768688' date='Feb 1 2009, 04:26 PM']I see. Well I hope that the Pope accepts the SSPX exactly as they are, and then you will be confronted with a choice, accept the Pope's decision or dissent from it.[/quote] I hope you are not making that wish out of spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768681' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:22 PM']Discussing it is fine, but trying to set the parameters for the restoration of communion (i.e., saying that the SSPX need to change this or that belief) is irrelevant, because you (and I, and the other participants in this thread) have no say in the matter.[/quote] I would have to disagree... I'm pretty sure at this point in time that "Dust" is actually a cover for His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768669' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:17 PM']The Church Fathers held that "speculation" leads to heresy and schism.[/quote] I've always wanted to be the John Madden of Phatmass, cause it's posts like these where I'd be able to take out my little pen and say, "See Al, what's goin on here is that you got the orthodox defensive line that comes out with this blunt but effective defense here and - BOOM - down goes the oppositon..." I hope that the SSPX does come back in to full communion - I feel that this would be a great addition to the Holy Father's efforts to undo the moves caused by the false "Spirit" of Vat II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 At this point praying is more important than discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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