Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1768694' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:29 PM']I hope you are not making that wish out of spite.[/quote] No, my wish is made out of a desire for the SSPX -- with all of their traditionalist views on matters of doctrine and morality -- to be restored to communion with the Catholic Church, so that they can help to bring about a renewal in the Latin Church. Edited February 1, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768700' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:32 PM']At this point praying is more important than discussing.[/quote] I agree. Along with putting one's trust in the Holy Spirit, who guides the magisterium of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1768699' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:32 PM']I hope that the SSPX does come back in to full communion - I feel that this would be a great addition to the Holy Father's efforts to [b]undo the moves caused by the false "Spirit" of Vat II[/b].[/quote] I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1768699' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:32 PM']I've always wanted to be the John Madden of Phatmass, cause it's posts like these where I'd be able to take out my little pen and say, "See Al, what's goin on here is that you got the orthodox defensive line that comes out with this blunt but effective defense here and - BOOM - down goes the oppositon..."[/quote] LOL! -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1768699' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:32 PM']I hope that the SSPX does come back in to full communion - I feel that this would be a great addition to the Holy Father's efforts to undo the moves caused by the false "Spirit" of Vat II.[/quote] What exactly is the false "spirit" of Vatican II? If we all agree that the Holy Spirit is and has been guiding the magisterium, this includes Vatican II, right? -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768692' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:28 PM']You said that my position was heretical. [i]On this issue we shall have to agree to disagree, because I consider your position heretical, and for me to embrace it I would have to apostatize from the Orthodox faith of the Eastern Fathers.[/i] But, whatever. My point is that we are free to have discussions on this board. -Katie[/quote] The difference is canonical. Only a bishop and the proper tribunals of the Church can declare a person a heretic. On the other hand, opinions and comments can be described as erroneous or heretical without the necessity of a canonical judgment. Edited February 1, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1768699' date='Feb 1 2009, 04:32 PM']to undo the moves caused by the false "Spirit" of Vat II.[/quote] What, exactly, does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768707' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:37 PM']What exactly is the false "spirit" of Vatican II? If we all agree that the Holy Spirit is and has been guiding the magisterium, this includes Vatican II, right? -Katie[/quote] There was nothing wrong with Vatican II, its all the stuff that happened after. But that is for another thread. Use the search function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768710' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:39 PM']The difference is canonical. Only your bishop and the proper tribunals of the Church can declare a person a heretic. On the other hand, opinions and comments can be described as erroneous or heretical without the necessity of a canonical judgment.[/quote] Alright, sorry for the misunderstanding. I probably am a heretic in some sense anyway. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768715' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:41 PM']Alright, sorry for the misunderstanding. I probably am a heretic in some sense anyway. -Katie[/quote] That's between you and your bishop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFJrtM2bxLI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFJrtM2bxLI[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJ_iMXOijk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJ_iMXOijk[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThX3wISq2ok"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThX3wISq2ok[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768716' date='Feb 1 2009, 04:42 PM'] That's between you and your bishop.[/quote] That is between her and God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1768722' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:45 PM']That is between her and God.[/quote] I'm working on it, but sorry, didn't mean to hijack this thread and make it about myself-I am irrelevant. That's not the point of this discussion. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1768722' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:45 PM']That is between her and God.[/quote] That is what I believed when I was a Protestant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768732' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:51 PM']That is what I believed when I was a Protestant.[/quote] Well, don't worry about it. I didn't mean to get off topic. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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