Pope Looks To Reintergrate Sspx Tommorrow

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768912' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:15 PM']It depends upon the level of the abuse. If the priest does something that effects the validity of the sacrament, e.g., suppose he does not intend to do what the Church does with the sacrament, then the abuse in question invalidates the sacrament.[/quote]

And if it was a female priest I could shout as much as I'd like.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1768922' date='Feb 1 2009, 09:23 PM']And if it was a female priest I could shout as much as I'd like. [/quote]
If it were a female priest, I think I'd probably get up and add my own interpretive dance at various parts of the 'liturgy'.

[Galloglasses' Alt]

Really? I always imagined myself storming out once I got the cut of what was going on.

[Luthien]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1768780' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:28 PM'](Psst, don't forget the giant scary puppets...while watching that video, I was almost hoping they'd fall over and crush the weird dancing woman going down the aisle.)[/quote]

I could not believe my eyes when I saw that video.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768912' date='Feb 1 2009, 07:15 PM']It depends upon the level of the abuse. If the priest does something that effects the validity of the sacrament, e.g., suppose he does not intend to do what the Church does with the sacrament, then the abuse in question invalidates the sacrament.[/quote]
That's what I tried to say, but I didn't know how to properly say it.
As long as the validity of the sacrament is maintained though, then the mass is objectively good. Am I right?

[jkaands]

I guess that it's easier to rail against habits that look like suits; cathedrals that aren't copies of Chartres (that no one could afford to build today anyway, except the Episcopalians); free form masses (that aren't performed much now anyway)--than against a newly promoted bishop that thinks that Katrina was God's punishment for New Orleans' wicked wicked ways; that women shouldn't go to university or wear pants; that the Holocaust never existed AND that 9/11 was an inside job; and that SSPX has an anti-Semitic streak a mile wide.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1768990' date='Feb 1 2009, 10:18 PM']I guess that it's easier to rail against habits that look like suits; cathedrals that aren't copies of Chartres (that no one could afford to build today anyway, except the Episcopalians); free form masses (that aren't performed much now anyway)--than against a newly promoted bishop that thinks that Katrina was God's punishment for New Orleans' wicked wicked ways; that women shouldn't go to university or wear pants; that the Holocaust never existed AND that 9/11 was an inside job; and that SSPX has an anti-Semitic streak a mile wide.[/quote]

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1768990' date='Feb 1 2009, 10:18 PM']I guess that it's easier to rail against habits that look like suits; cathedrals that aren't copies of Chartres (that no one could afford to build today anyway, except the Episcopalians); free form masses (that aren't performed much now anyway)--than against a newly promoted bishop that thinks that Katrina was God's punishment for New Orleans' wicked wicked ways; that women shouldn't go to university or wear pants; that the Holocaust never existed AND that 9/11 was an inside job; and that SSPX has an anti-Semitic streak a mile wide.[/quote]
Like I said they need to repudiate all the cr.ap on their website.

[Apotheoun]

Jesus Christ is the sole savior of mankind, and so anyone who is saved is saved by His incarnation, passion, death, and resurrection.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1769000' date='Feb 1 2009, 10:28 PM']Jesus Christ is the sole savior of mankind, and so anyone who is saved is saved by His incarnation, passion, death, and resurrection.[/quote]
Did you reply to the right thread?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1768990' date='Feb 1 2009, 09:18 PM']that women shouldn't go to university or wear pants[/quote]

Clearly you read none of my posts.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1769028' date='Feb 1 2009, 07:45 PM']Did you reply to the right thread?[/quote]
Yes, I did. I just thought that I would remind everyone of the fact that Rabbinic Judaism -- like the Arian heresy and other ancient heresies -- is not salvific.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1768514' date='Feb 1 2009, 11:24 AM'][b] 'Deep concerns'

In a letter dated Thursday, some 50 Catholic members of the U.S. Congress wrote to Benedict to express their “deep concerns” over the pope’s decision to reinstate Williamson while the bishop was denying that the Holocaust occurred.

“We do not question your reasons for revoking the excommunication of Bishop Williamson or your right to do so, but we fail to understand why the revocation was not accompanied by an emphatic public rejection of his denial of the Holocaust,” the letter said.

The bishop’s remarks about the Holocaust “echo those of neo-Nazis, Islamist extremists, racists and others who choose hatred and violence over peaceful co-existence among peoples of all races and ethnicities,” the lawmakers said, adding that they welcomed Benedict’s expression of solidarity with the Jewish people. [/b][/quote]
+J.M.J.+
and what of their 'deep concerns' for holding beliefs contrary to the Catholic faith? such as being Catholic and pro-abortion?? (not at you, just in general)

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote name='Aloysius' post='1768529' date='Feb 1 2009, 11:39 AM']Not that the Holy Father agrees with all their views, but I believe he wants their side of the spectrum IN for the benefit of really seeing Vatican II in the light of tradition by having people dedicated to tradition from before the council in the Church and he wants the liberal side of interpretting the council OUT. In essence, if you're going to have reservations about the council, you'd better be having them because you think it went too far from the past Magisteriums and not because you don't think it went far enough away from them.[/quote]
Interesting, thank you.
[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768664' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:15 PM']Interesting discussion, but not valid. The Pope will determine the validity of what happens with the SSPX, and not the members of Phatmass.[/quote]
and thank goodness too!
[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768669' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:17 PM']The Church Fathers held that "speculation" leads to heresy and schism.[/quote]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768701' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:32 PM']No, my wish is made out of a desire for the SSPX -- with all of their traditionalist views on matters of doctrine and morality -- to be restored to communion with the Catholic Church, so that they can help to bring about a renewal in the Latin Church.[/quote]
amen.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1769039' date='Feb 1 2009, 10:50 PM']Yes, I did. I just thought that I would remind everyone of the fact that Rabbinic Judaism -- like the Arian heresy and other ancient heresies -- is not salvific.[/quote]
I see.