Resurrexi Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Bishop Bernard Fellay welcomed "Famille Chrétienne" [French Catholic weekly] on January 31, in his General House of Menzingen, Switzerland. He responded in particular to the accusations of Antisemitism cast at the Fraternity of Saint Pius X. "We evidently condemn every act of murder of the innocent. It is a crime that cries to heaven! Even more so when it is related to a people. We reject every accusation of Antisemitism. Completely and absolutely. We reject every form of approval of what happened under Hitler. This is something abominable. Christianity places Charity at a supreme level. Saint Paul, speaking of the Jews, proclaims, 'I wished myself to be an anathema [from Christ], for my brethren!" (Rom. 9, 3). The Jews are "our elder brothers" in the sense that we have something in common, that is, the old Covenant. It is true that the acknowledgment of the coming of the Messiah separates us. "It is very interesting to notice that the Church did not await for the Council to prescribe courses of action regarding the Jews. Since the 30s, even during the war, several texts of Rome provide a very just position: the abominations of the Hitlerist regime must be condemned! 'Spiritually, we all Semites', Pope Pius XI had said. It is a truth which comes from Sacred Scripture itself, 'we are sons of Abraham,' Saint Paul also affirms." [url="http://www.la-croix.com/documents/doc.jsp?docId=2363958&rubId=47602"]http://www.la-croix.com/documents/doc.jsp?...amp;rubId=47602[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doe-jo Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Go Pope!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768789' date='Feb 1 2009, 06:33 PM']If you are, you don't have to be. Choosing obedience for me was the hardest and easiest thing in the world. I have an anti-authoritarian streak a mile wide, remember I grew up in the 60's . I think the Holy Spirit must have had a good chuckle at that point. But none of the other spiritual choices out there hold a candle to the Catholic Church, they all wilt under scrutiny. No one else has history, authority, and an unchanging truth for 2000 years. One day it came to me that it was a simple matter of saying I didn't have to understand all the theology, or the detailed history etc, and it wasn't a requirement. I didn't have to understand alll the details BEFORE I believed it. I just had to trust that the Holy Spirit was overseeing the whole deal. Once I decided that part the rest is easy. Once I made that decision and started following the teachings of the Church, the theolgy and history made more sense. Doing led to understanding. For if God is for us, who can be against?[/quote] I get what you're saying, it's just going to take time for me to reconcile conflicts of conscience with the Church in order to fully accept that it is guided by the Holy Spirit without having the doubts that I often have. I stilll go to Mass every Sunday, I still try-though I always need to try harder. Thanks for the input, though. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1769216' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:40 AM']I get what you're saying, it's just going to take time for me to reconcile conflicts of conscience with the Church in order to fully accept that it is guided by the Holy Spirit without having the doubts that I often have. I stilll go to Mass every Sunday, I still try-though I always need to try harder. Thanks for the input, though. -Katie[/quote] I still have doubts on a regular basis, we almost all do. St. Augustine: "Doubt is but another element of faith." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Stupidity isn't an impediment to becoming Catholic...If it were, we'd have a pretty small Church. Just because Bishop Williamson isn't the brightest crayon in the box doesn't meant that he should be denied the Church. He isn't denying a part of the Faith, just history. Again, it may be stupid (and he's not very bright at times), but if you're going to deny him access to Holy Mother Church, it should be for a Catholic reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='qfnol31' post='1769265' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:10 AM']Stupidity isn't an impediment to becoming Catholic...If it were, we'd have a pretty small Church.[/quote] Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1769250' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:03 AM']I still have doubts on a regular basis, we almost all do. St. Augustine: "Doubt is but another element of faith."[/quote] I'll keep that in mind. I'm having a "James Joyce" moment, right now. I have them a lot! -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1768767' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:21 PM']-religious "habits" that look like this: [img]http://www.dcwcp.org/images/council.jpg[/img] Mind you, the latter two aren't as severe as the first few, but they still embody the spirit of informality and personal liberty that the 2VC was never intended to grant.[/quote] Actually, I do know of a particular order that has had that same "habit" since the 1860's. I think that was before Vatican II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) [quote name='qfnol31' post='1769270' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:13 AM']Actually, I do know of a particular order that has had that same "habit" since the 1860's. I think that was before Vatican II. [/quote] Yes, I wasn't insinuating that all orders changed their habits, or I guess uniforms might be a more accurate term, but I think you'd have been hard pressed to find sisters in outfits like that in 1955. And might I add that those pictured are Daughters of Charity - some of my very favourite sisters, and sisters that were very helpful in my conversion were DoCs, so I'm not trying to diminish their devotion to Our Lord or their work, but I think there's something to be said for the veil and habit. Edited February 2, 2009 by USAirwaysIHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1769319' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:37 AM']Yes, I wasn't insinuating that all orders changed their habits, or I guess uniforms might be a more accurate term, but I think you'd have been hard pressed to find sisters in outfits like that in 1955. And might I add that those pictured are Daughters of Charity - some of my very favourite sisters, and sisters that were very helpful in my conversion were DoCs, so I'm not trying to diminish their devotion to Our Lord or their work, but I think there's something to be said for the veil and habit.[/quote] Eh, I don't know-I don't really see that what they're wearing is the crucial issue-I think it's what they're doing. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 You're right, you would be hard-pressed to find many orders that didn't sport a habit then, but I work with 3.5 whose order hasn't had them at all in 150 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1769331' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:41 AM']Eh, I don't know-I don't really see that what they're wearing is the crucial issue-I think it's what they're doing. -Katie[/quote] Both are actually important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Is it a religious order, or something more akin to what Regnum Christi has, i.e., consecrated women who work in the world? Canon Law requires that religious orders have a habit (canon 669). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1769338' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:44 AM']Both are actually important.[/quote] Some orders don't have habits, I thought. When I was in Catholic School, we had Franciscan nuns and I remember there was some kind of decree that they didn't have to wear habits, because the principle, who was a nun, stopped wearing one. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1769344' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:47 AM']Is it a religious order, or something more akin to what Regnum Christi has, i.e., consecrated women who work in the world? Canon Law requires that religious orders have a habit (canon 669).[/quote] Many of them wear a tiny little pin that is supposed to proclaim they are sisters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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