Tinkerlina Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1772418' date='Feb 4 2009, 10:24 PM']The Nazi genocide is not a "theological truth." The Vatican may not like that Bishop Williamson doesn't think that that many Jews were killed in the Holocaust, and his position may be historically speaking "idiotic," but Bishop Williamson has not made a theological error in saying what he has said. Now, the Vatican could step in if Bishop Williamson were to say that contraception is moral (something that the former bishop of my diocese did), and it could then reprimand him and require that he recant, because that is a theological matter. Sadly, the Vatican never made my former bishop confess his error on contraception, but the Anti-Defamation League wasn't pressuring the Vatican on that issue.[/quote] Did your bishop go on multinational TV and proclaim his views? -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1772419' date='Feb 4 2009, 07:28 PM']Did your bishop go on multinational TV and proclaim his views? -Katie[/quote] He preached it from the pulpit of the cathedral. He was also a big supporter of homosexual "rights" and of allowing for "gay gifts" in the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1772419' date='Feb 4 2009, 07:28 PM']Did your bishop go on multinational TV and proclaim his views? -Katie[/quote] Swedish TV isn't multi-national. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1772421' date='Feb 4 2009, 10:29 PM']He preached it from the pulpit of the cathedral. He was also a big supporter of homosexual "rights" and of allowing for "gay gifts" in the Church.[/quote] That is wrong. My point is not that he is less wrong, but that the Vatican can't possibly account for every bishop all the time but when someone goes on international television, they are probably more likely to be noticed. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1772422' date='Feb 4 2009, 10:30 PM']Swedish TV isn't multi-national.[/quote] Sorry, national TV. -Katie ETA: No, actually I think they do broadcase in other parts of europe. Edited February 5, 2009 by Tinkerlina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1772413' date='Feb 4 2009, 07:21 PM']But, Pelosi, Biden and Kennedy aren't clergy who publically represent the Church when they speak, however horrible their beliefs are. And I do believe the Vatican has condemend pro-choice politicians on several occasions. -Katie[/quote] Catechesis has clearly collapsed in the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1772424' date='Feb 4 2009, 07:32 PM']Sorry, national TV. -Katie[/quote] You mean Swedish national TV. Your comment is generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1772427' date='Feb 4 2009, 10:33 PM']You mean Swedish national TV. Your comment is generic.[/quote] STV does broadcast outside of Sweden on a specific channel (to be fair, not sure if the interview itself was broadcast on this channel) SVT Europa the channel for Swedish speaking audiences outside Sweden. It is transmitted via two satellites: since December 1997 over Sirius II covering Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East and since April 2005 over Thaicom-5 covering Africa, Asia and Australia. The transmissions are digital and encrypted. (Source: svt.se) Either way, it was large scale, imo. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1772395' date='Feb 4 2009, 07:12 PM']The fact that Pius XII was Pope and that Maximilian Kolbe and that Teresa Benedicta of the Cross are Saints is connected to the deposit of faith by historical necessity, however.[/quote] It does not by extension connect the whole event to the dogmatic history of the Church. The only thing that is connected to the faith of the Church are the sufferings of the individuals canonized. The fact that a man who washes his clothes in a particular river is later canonized does not connect that river to the dogmatic structure of the faith. Thus, man is not required -- as an act of divine and catholic faith -- to believe in the Holocaust, any more than he is required as a part of the faith to believe that Ronald Reagan was pivotal in bringing down the Soviet Union. Edited February 5, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1772435' date='Feb 4 2009, 10:41 PM']It does not by extension connect the whole event to the dogmatic history of the Church. The only thing that is connected to the faith of the Church are the sufferings of the individuals canonized. The fact that a man who washes his clothes in a particular river is later canonized does not connect that river to the dogmatic structure of the faith. No one is required -- as an act of divine and catholic faith -- to believe in the Holocaust, nor are they required as a part of the faith to believe that Ronald Reagan was pivotal in bringing down the Soviet Union.[/quote] The Vatican isn't requiring him to believe or not believe anything, they said he must "distance himself" from his public comments. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1772439' date='Feb 4 2009, 07:42 PM']The Vatican isn't requiring him to believe or not believe anything, they said he must "distance himself" from his public comments. -Katie[/quote] The Vatican has no right to request anything of him in connection with his historical views, good or bad, unless they are connected to the dogmas of the faith. Edited February 5, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1772441' date='Feb 4 2009, 10:43 PM']The Vatican has no right to request anything of him in connection with his historical views, good or bad, unless they are connected to the dogmas of the faith.[/quote] They have cause, as his comments have moral implications and have caused scandal. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1772444' date='Feb 4 2009, 07:44 PM']They have cause, as his comments have moral implications and have caused scandal. -Katie[/quote] I am sure that many Jews think that Pope Benedict's membership in the Hitler Youth is scandalous, perhaps he should resign and do public penance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Where is this witch hunt to end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 When is this discussion going to end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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