CatherineM Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1827904' date='Apr 7 2009, 04:02 PM']the breakdown is much more interesting by race. While statistically white women have more abortions, african american have 3 times more abortions per capita. Planned Parenthood has far more clinics in african american neighborhoods.[/quote] Are more done in those neighborhoods because of easier availability, targeted marketing, less use of or access to contraception, or poverty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1827946' date='Apr 7 2009, 05:27 PM']Are more done in those neighborhoods because of easier availability, targeted marketing, less use of or access to contraception, or poverty?[/quote] Depends on who you ask. There are quotes of Margaret Sanger that are racist. The more I read about it the more it seems like Planned Parenthood is an organization that wants to eliminate african americans off the planet. What's amazing is that the number one killer of African Americans is abortion. More blacks are killed each year by choice than by any disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='StColette' post='1827840' date='Apr 7 2009, 04:14 PM']Are there any statistics that show what income level has the most abortions. I would not be surprised at all if more were done by middle and upper class people. Found the following, not sure how credible it is. Who's having abortions (income)? Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.[/quote] Reason being of course they don't want to lose face or social standing or their current lifestyle. I imagine it'd be hard to find statistics on abortions and the women who have had them because abortion clinics don't keep very good records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1827899' date='Apr 7 2009, 03:58 PM']How about looking at the other side of the coin, who's having babies? It isn't the upper class elite types. Aren't multi-child families usually from lower classes, new immigrants?[/quote] Availability of birth control? I think thats a leading factor. I mean the alternative is that rich people have less sex than poor people... but I doubt thats right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='dUSt' post='1827852' date='Apr 7 2009, 02:25 PM']So the majority of all abortions are from the middle class. Not surprising. And, I think these numbers are somewhat misleading because I think if you broke it down to who is having the most abortions per pregnancies, the people in "poverty" would be a very small percentage--as far as abortion to pregnancy ratio goes. So, as for the theory that reducing poverty will reduce abortions, according to the stats, the opposite would be true. Reducing poverty would [b]increase[/b] abortions. Reducing sex would reduce abortions. Oh, and making abortion illegal would reduce abortions too. What a novel idea.[/quote] Yes, just like the prohibition reduced drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1828068' date='Apr 7 2009, 06:41 PM']Yes, just like the prohibition reduced drinking.[/quote] We should abandon our laws against murder too, because people still murder ya know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1828068' date='Apr 7 2009, 07:41 PM']Yes, just like the prohibition reduced drinking.[/quote] I personally never had one drink during the prohibition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='dUSt' post='1828071' date='Apr 7 2009, 05:51 PM']I personally never had one drink during the prohibition.[/quote] I've never personally had an abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I've heard a bunch of times that the number of abortions would increase (or stay the same) if abortion was criminalized. But is there any data to back that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1828069' date='Apr 7 2009, 05:43 PM']We should abandon our laws against murder too, because people still murder ya know...[/quote] I'd be willing to bet that the reason why most people don't murder others isn't because it's illegal. The fact that thousands of murders happen regardless of the law stands testament to this. Murder isn't bad because it's illegal, it's illegal because it's bad. The law isn't preventing anyone from murdering someone else, it's just making consequence to doing it (for those who are disturbed enough to do it.) That's why the murder laws analogy to abortion just doesn't fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='1828082' date='Apr 7 2009, 07:02 PM']I've heard a bunch of times that the number of abortions would increase (or stay the same) if abortion was criminalized. But is there any data to back that up?[/quote] My take on that... who cares? I also hear that abortions will become botched killing the mother also (the coat hanger scenario) But look... we don't say to people if you want to murder someone, we're going to provide a safe secure sterile location to do it. Murder is wrong and needs to be outlawed. I don't buy into the utilitarian thinking on criminal legal issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 "Murder isn't bad because it's illegal, it's illegal because it's bad." come on now, you KNOW abortion = murder in our opinion. [b]=[/b]... it's not abortion is LIKE murder, it's abortion IS murder. every law applicable to murder should be applicable to abortion. it's not an analogy to us, dude. Abortion shouldn't be bad because it's illegal, it should be illegal because it's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1828083' date='Apr 7 2009, 07:02 PM']I'd be willing to bet that the reason why most people don't murder others isn't because it's illegal. The fact that thousands of murders happen regardless of the law stands testament to this. Murder isn't bad because it's illegal, it's illegal because it's bad. The law isn't preventing anyone from murdering someone else, it's just making consequence to doing it (for those who are disturbed enough to do it.) That's why the murder laws analogy to abortion just doesn't fit.[/quote] No they make it perfectly! Abortion doesn't become bad because its illegal, it should be illegal because its bad. You're exactly right, people murder anyways; it doesn't mean we should make it legal. Abortions will happen regardless of illegality, but it doesn't mean it should be legal. Edt: Al and I are having an ESP moment... I feel honored Edited April 8, 2009 by rkwright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1828097' date='Apr 7 2009, 06:06 PM']No they make it perfectly! Abortion doesn't become bad because its illegal, it should be illegal because its bad. You're exactly right, people murder anyways; it doesn't mean we should make it legal. Abortions will happen regardless of illegality, but it doesn't mean it should be legal.[/quote] I didn't say we should make murder legal. However, it's illegality plays little role in preventing murders. To tell you the truth, I do believe abortions would go down if it were made illegal, but only because no one would be providing, not because people saw it as bad. That's not the same as murder. People would not murder others, even if they could get away with it legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1828103' date='Apr 7 2009, 08:11 PM']I didn't say we should make murder legal. However, it's illegality plays little role in preventing murders. To tell you the truth, I do believe abortions would go down if it were made illegal, but only because no one would be providing, not because people saw it as bad. That's not the same as murder. People would not murder others, even if they could get away with it legally.[/quote] I agree that some will always believe abortions to be okay....just making something illegal or legal only changes x number of minds about it. I dunno about the rest of what you say though. I mean, when you kill someone, you have to get rid of the body, and you hope no one sees you etc etc etc. I mean, how many opportunities in your life have you had an opportunity to murder someone with absolutely no chance of getting caught? ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/iced+earth/track/1776"]Iced Earth - 1776[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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