Why Does God Hide Himself?

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='reyb' date='19 October 2009 - 01:01 PM' timestamp='1255917664' post='1987622']
But from whom, this idea of 'transubtantiation' came from?
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Does the [u]physica[/u]l body and blood have importance? As the 12 ate and drank did Christ's body diminish? Did he become anaemic? The body of Christ also refers to 'The Church' or his people. A body of people! 'The cup' is a term representing life or a part of life. In this case Jesus sacrifice of his life for which his blood was shed. The crucifixion has been the corner stone of Christianity. God's love for his creation is such that he was willing to sacrifice his son to prove it. In seeing this and believing, millions of souls have been saved! The definition of 'substance' is what something is made from but it can also mean the significant or most important existence of something. In Transubstantiation insignificant bread and wine become something of extreme significance. As I understand it the jury is still out on transubstantiation or consubstantiation. The Catholic Church is fairly rigid about the former.

Edited October 19, 2009 by Mark of the Cross

[reyb]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='19 October 2009 - 02:07 AM' timestamp='1255936053' post='1987759']
Does the [u]physica[/u]l body and blood have importance? As the 12 ate and drank did Christ's body diminish? Did he become anaemic? The body of Christ also refers to 'The Church' or his people. A body of people! 'The cup' is a term representing life or a part of life. In this case Jesus sacrifice of his life for which his blood was shed. The crucifixion has been the corner stone of Christianity. God's love for his creation is such that he was willing to sacrifice his son to prove it. In seeing this and believing, millions of souls have been saved! The definition of 'substance' is what something is made from but it can also mean the significant or most important existence of something. In Transubstantiation insignificant bread and wine become something of extreme significance. As I understand it the jury is still out on transubstantiation or consubstantiation. The Catholic Church is fairly rigid about the former.
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The question is, - Is' transubtantiation' are reality of not?

[reyb]

[quote name='reyb' date='19 October 2009 - 05:26 AM' timestamp='1255948012' post='1987772']
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The question is, - Is' transubtantiation' are reality of not?
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Correction:

Is transubtantiation a reality?

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='reyb' date='18 October 2009 - 05:46 AM' timestamp='1255866415' post='1987263']
In your above post, it seems you are saying that to obey the commandment of God is a matter of choice on our part. Thus, I asked. Do you really think that we can fulfill the commandment of God by our own?
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umm, yeah i do. in this case God has made the rule, and presented the reasons for it, and given me the choice whether or not to follow it. If i break it, it's not God's failing, neither is it His triumph if i keep to the law. His triumph is making me, and the laws of the world. what i do during my time on earth is mine.

[reyb]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='19 October 2009 - 01:01 PM' timestamp='1255975269' post='1987898']
umm, yeah i do. in this case God has made the rule, and presented the reasons for it, and given me the choice whether or not to follow it. If i break it, it's not God's failing, neither is it His triumph if i keep to the law. His triumph is making me, and the laws of the world. what i do during my time on earth is mine.
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In short, you know the commandment of God. Because you can only break a particular rule if you know that rule.

Edited October 19, 2009 by reyb

[Jesus_lol]

no? im really not sure what you are getting at here. im just trying to post my view of what "free will" is, and that is the freedom to believe in god or to not believe. as well as many other things, instead of just creating all of as as indentured servants here on earth, who have no choices.

[reyb]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='19 October 2009 - 01:38 PM' timestamp='1255977532' post='1987907']
no? im really not sure what you are getting at here. im just trying to post my view of what "free will" is, and that is the freedom to believe in god or to not believe. as well as many other things, instead of just creating all of as as indentured servants here on earth, who have no choices.
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Yes you have 'freedom' but even our freedom is not totality 'free' since everything in us are limited. There is no such thing as absolute freedom in a creation like us except when you see yourself as God. It is either, you are slave to sin meaning, you are under the power of deceiving spirit and therefore, you do not want to do the sin you are doing or you are a slave of Christ, meaning the goodness you are doing is not your own but it was done because of the Spirit Christ.

Nonetheless, in both ways you will feel ‘freedom’ since in one side, ‘You do not know what you are doing’ and on the other side, ‘You are willing to be a slave’. Now, you need to be more cautious if you think you are Christian because you must know how you become one. Othewise, you will see yourself a robber - stealing the crown of a true Christian and put it on your head.

I will say it again, our freedom, our free will, our most ardent desire, our faith and even our whole being is not enough to obey the commandment of God. Because only in Christ it can be done.

Now, do you think you can be a Christian just because you are willing?

Edited October 20, 2009 by reyb

[Jesus_lol]

hell yes i think that.

so apparently, i am a slave, a thief, a heretic and a non christian? your powers of extrapolation are pretty well developed, considering i only tried to explain Free will how I see it.

i am always being presented with choices, do the right thing or the wrong thing. with the forces of good(god) and evil(devil) trying to convince me one way or the other. I get to decide which one i listen to and obey.
i am a christian, back off.

[reyb]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='19 October 2009 - 09:39 PM' timestamp='1256006372' post='1988103']
hell yes i think that.

so apparently, i am a slave, a thief, a heretic and a non christian? your powers of extrapolation are pretty well developed, considering i only tried to explain Free will how I see it.

i am always being presented with choices, do the right thing or the wrong thing. with the forces of good(god) and evil(devil) trying to convince me one way or the other. I get to decide which one i listen to and obey.
i am a christian, back off.
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okay.Good. Carry on. Punk.