Selah Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) Hey, look, Storm's back! And by the way, Calvinism is a heresy Edited September 18, 2009 by Selah
thessalonian Posted October 1, 2009 Author Posted October 1, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='18 September 2009 - 12:19 PM' timestamp='1253290766' post='1968617'] Unfortunately, Thessa, you are calling the God of the Bible a monster. "Unto you therefore who believe, He he precious....[but] to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient, whereunto also THEY WERE APPOINTED". (1 Pet 2:7-8). "To you is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN" (Matt 13:11). It is apparently incomprehensible to you that God opens the eyes of some, but purposely closes the eyes of others.... but the Bible clearly teaches this in far too many places to list here. We MUST be satisfied that He has His own special reasons for this: "Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in thy sight" (Matt 11:26). I suggest you get a hold of James White's, "The Potter's Freedom". [/quote] Storm, where your explanation is lacking is this. Irresistable grace. Yes God opens the eyes of some. Amen, their eyes are opened because of him!!! Totally. But God does give grace to ALL sufficient to open their eyes and yet they reject some or all of that grace. They don't recognize him as precious as you have stated. The God of the Bible is not a monster who "desires that all men be saved" but then sits by the edge of the water with the abilities of the best olympic swimmer containing a full set of life saving gear, and lets someone ten feet out drown. Your rejection of free will is the problem.
thessalonian Posted October 1, 2009 Author Posted October 1, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='18 September 2009 - 12:19 PM' timestamp='1253290766' post='1968617'] Unfortunately, Thessa, you are calling the God of the Bible a monster. "Unto you therefore who believe, He he precious....[but] to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient, whereunto also THEY WERE APPOINTED". (1 Pet 2:7-8). "To you is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN" (Matt 13:11). It is apparently incomprehensible to you that God opens the eyes of some, but purposely closes the eyes of others.... but the Bible clearly teaches this in far too many places to list here. We MUST be satisfied that He has His own special reasons for this: "Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in thy sight" (Matt 11:26). I suggest you get a hold of James White's, "The Potter's Freedom". [/quote] I love James White. His very attitude and demeanor exude the monster god that he believes in. If I don't have to direct any money his way I will definitely look in to this book of fallacious arguements.
thessalonian Posted October 1, 2009 Author Posted October 1, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='18 September 2009 - 12:29 PM' timestamp='1253291341' post='1968629'] Wrong! Your mind simply cannot grasp the pervasiveness of the sovereignty of God, who is the one in fact, who GRANTS REPENTANCE... by opening the closed mind, as in, "Lydia...whose heart the Lord OPENED, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of by Paul.". "Then hath God also to the Gentiles GRANTED REPENTANCE unto life." (Ax 11:10). [/quote] That God gave grace sufficient to open one person's mind and it opened is in no way indicated that God gave no grace to another sufficient for them to respond and they did not. The sun shines on the good and the bad.
Selah Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) [quote]Unfortunately, Thessa, you are calling the God of the Bible a monster. "[/quote] No, he was calling the god of Calvin's imagination a monster. And I have no problem agreeing with him or even saying that the world would be better off without this disgusting doctrine. It messed me up when I was a teen and I've watched it turn people into hateful shrews. The fact that anyone could worship a god like that still baffles me to this day. But, when you decide to hold your own interpretation of the Bible as the truth, I guess you can come up with all kinds of heresies. I left that terrible doctrine behind and have no interest in Calvin or his "god". [quote]You forgot to mention that Calvin also believed that God positively wills -- by an eternal decree -- [b]the damnation of some men[/b].[/quote] Need I say more? Edited October 1, 2009 by Selah
Apotheoun Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 I posted this earlier, but now I know the name of the Calvinist speaker (Stormstopper): [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ckoCBtXvU[/media]
Selah Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) Apollo (I'm calling you that from now on, lol) there is one flaw in that video. "I hope you are chosen." A lot of Calvinists do not care if someone is chosen. Just gives them more reason to rejoice in their torture in heaven. That's their view of heaven. Watching people suffer in hell and gloating about it. That's why I left. The idea that a mother is rejoicing in God's "justice" of her son burning in hell because he wasn't chosen. I'm not talking out of my rear end, here. This is what a lot of reformers taught in their sermons, including Johnathan Edwards...my dad had a whole book of these sermons, though I can't find them now. Edited October 1, 2009 by Selah
Paddington Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 ^ I loved that video. I went to the site and made my own, but then they wanted money for me to use it for anything.
Paddington Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 [quote name='Selah' date='01 October 2009 - 08:36 PM' timestamp='1254440194' post='1975921'] A lot of Calvinists do not care if someone is chosen. [/quote] Not in my experience.
Apotheoun Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 [quote name='Paddington' date='01 October 2009 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1254440363' post='1975924'][quote name='Selah' date='01 October 2009 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1254440194' post='1975921'] A lot of Calvinists do not care if someone is chosen. [/quote] Not in my experience. [/quote] I have run into both kinds of Calvinists.
N/A Gone Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 When I was going to school to be a Pastor one of my best friends was Calvinist. He and his wife refused to have children because they did not want to risk that the Child would be one of the damned. Incredibly sad experience that will stick with me forever.
Selah Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 [quote]When I was going to school to be a Pastor one of my best friends was Calvinist. He and his wife refused to have children because they did not want to risk that the Child would be one of the damned. Incredibly sad experience that will stick with me forever. [/quote] That's awful "Mankind will never find peace until they turn their hearts to My mercy" - Jesus, Divine Mercy.
thessalonian Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 That video cracks me up. But it's really not funny.
desertwoman Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 I like the ones of the KJ only people. I grew up around them.
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