Apotheoun Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='10 December 2009 - 03:03 PM' timestamp='1260482639' post='2017851'] You know, I'm still unclear as to why some Catholics are defending the Muslims. I mean, they DID refer to us as "infidels," right? And they DID say Islam will "dominate" the world, right? Can you please explain this to me? [/quote] I don't really mind people defending Muslims, but I have been stunned to see Catholics defending Islam, which is a religious ideology that explicitly rejects the dogmas of the Trinity and the Incarnation. Thinking that Jesus was a just a good fellow will not bring salvation to anyone.
sacredheartandbloodofjesus Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 I think this scripture may be of some help to all of us if we pray it with our hearts. John.18:9-14 [color="#4B0082"]And to some who trusted in themselves as just, and despised others, he spoke also this parable: Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican. I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner. I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather than the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted.[/color]
Maggyie Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='10 December 2009 - 06:17 PM' timestamp='1260483453' post='2017874'] I think this scripture may be of some help to all of us if we pray it with our hearts. John.18:9-14 [color="#4B0082"]And to some who trusted in themselves as just, and despised others, he spoke also this parable: Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican. I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner. I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather than the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted.[/color] [/quote] I love that reading But I hate it because it's about me, Maggie the Pharisee
extempers Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='10 December 2009 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1260483113' post='2017860'] I don't pay much attention to Wikipedia. Catholic leaders celebrated 911? [/quote] Sorry, no Muslim leaders praised 9/11. But many Catholic Popes and leaders of past praised killing of Muslims. But we can talk about today too? How about Catholics praising the murder and destruction of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, pakistan, Somalia and Palestine? Err wait, innocent children are terrorists, I forgot We can play the copy/paste game where you post all these verified articles about praising 9/11 and then I counter with all the articles nullifying those articles of praise. It's a really fun game, something very popular on forums! Or we can save time and you do the research and realize you are wrong wrong wrong
KnightofChrist Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 I am not a Pharisee. I repeat the words of Saint Paul "A faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into this world to save sinners, of whom I am the chief."
HisChildForever Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 December 2009 - 05:17 PM' timestamp='1260483424' post='2017872'] I don't really mind people defending Muslims, but I have been stunned to see Catholics defending Islam, which is a religious ideology that explicitly rejects the dogmas of the Trinity and the Incarnation. Thinking that Jesus was a just a good fellow will not bring salvation to anyone. [/quote] I meant the fact that people are either ignoring or defending their behavior while simultaneously attacking ours.
Lilllabettt Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='10 December 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1260483653' post='2017878'] I am not a Pharisee. I repeat the words of Saint Paul "A faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into this world to save sinners, of whom I am the chief." [/quote] You know, by saying that you're not a Pharisee, you make yourself a Pharisee? In other words, you're saying 'i'm not a hypocrite" ... which means you are one. It's like the whole humility/pride thing. The second you think you're humble, you're proud.
KnightofChrist Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='extempers' date='10 December 2009 - 05:20 PM' timestamp='1260483628' post='2017877'] Sorry, no Muslim leaders praised 9/11. [/quote] For that to be true I would have to forget the many Imams and Clerics who called and call for the death of the United States.
HisChildForever Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='extempers' date='10 December 2009 - 05:20 PM' timestamp='1260483628' post='2017877'] Sorry, no Muslim leaders praised 9/11. But many Catholic Popes and leaders of past praised killing of Muslims. But we can talk about today too? How about Catholics praising the murder and destruction of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, pakistan, Somalia and Palestine? Err wait, innocent children are terrorists, I forgot We can play the copy/paste game where you post all these verified articles about praising 9/11 and then I counter with all the articles nullifying those articles of praise. It's a really fun game, something very popular on forums! Or we can save time and you do the research and realize you are wrong wrong wrong [/quote] Any Catholic who speaks such hate is not reflecting the teachings of Jesus Christ and is therefore not an accurate representation of Catholicism.
Varg Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 December 2009 - 01:22 PM' timestamp='1260469325' post='2017606'] It is not disrespectful to say that Mohammad is not a true prophet; instead, it is simply a theological truth. [/quote] Wrong. Some people would find that very disrespectful. [quote]Too many people seem to be thin skinned.[/quote] Which is why I was banned for saying something now worse than what was being said about Islam, right?
Apotheoun Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Lilllabettt' date='10 December 2009 - 03:25 PM' timestamp='1260483903' post='2017880'] You know, by saying that you're not a Pharisee, you make yourself a Pharisee?[/quote] That does not follow. I am not a Jew, but saying that does not make me a Jew.
Apotheoun Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='10 December 2009 - 03:26 PM' timestamp='1260484016' post='2017885'] Wrong. Some people would find that very disrespectful.[/quote] That is sad for them, but it is a sin to lie and so I cannot do that.
sacredheartandbloodofjesus Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 I wasnt calling anyone a pharisee I just felt that scripture could help kill all the judgments being thrown around. I for one am a total Pharisee, but I trust that God will forgive me and help me to be less self centered and more Christo-centric.
Lilllabettt Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 December 2009 - 06:27 PM' timestamp='1260484077' post='2017886'] That does not follow. I am not a Jew, but saying that does not make me a Jew. [/quote] In this context "Pharisee" refers to a moral condition, not an identity. It is equivalent with the word "hypocrite." Saying: "I am not a hypocrite" makes the person who says that a hypocrite. We are all hypocrites. Unless we are the Immaculate Conception. We all profess one thing and do another.
KnightofChrist Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Lilllabettt' date='10 December 2009 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1260483903' post='2017880'] You know, by saying that you're not a Pharisee, you make yourself a Pharisee? In other words, you're saying 'i'm not a hypocrite" ... which means you are one. It's like the whole humility/pride thing. The second you think you're humble, you're proud. [/quote] I like Saint Paul, am a chief of sinners. What is humble about that? What is to be proud about that? I don't even think you read my post before you jumped on the opportunity to call me a [u]proud hypocrite[/u].
Varg Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 December 2009 - 05:28 PM' timestamp='1260484136' post='2017888'] That is sad for them, but it is a sin to lie and so I cannot do that. [/quote] Then tell the truth, renounce Christianity.
Apotheoun Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Lilllabettt' date='10 December 2009 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1260484222' post='2017894'] In this context "Pharisee" refers to a moral condition, not an identity. It is equivalent with the word "hypocrite." Saying: "I am not a hypocrite" makes the person who says that a hypocrite. We are all hypocrites. Unless we are the Immaculate Conception. We all profess one thing and do another. [/quote] It does not follow. Prove it. Edited December 10, 2009 by Apotheoun
Lilllabettt Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='10 December 2009 - 06:30 PM' timestamp='1260484228' post='2017895'] I like Saint Paul, am a chief of sinners. What is humble about that? What is to be proud about that? I don't even think you read my post before you jumped on the opportunity to call me a [u]proud hypocrite[/u]. [/quote] Saint Paul would not read the passage about the Pharisee and say "I'm not like that." Saint Paul would say, "alas, I am like that, the chief of sinners."
HisChildForever Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='10 December 2009 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1260484016' post='2017885'] Which is why I was banned for saying something now worse than what was being said about Islam, right? [/quote] There there. I was banned for my reply to you.
sacredheartandbloodofjesus Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 December 2009 - 05:27 PM' timestamp='1260484077' post='2017886'] That does not follow. I am not a Jew, but saying that does not make me a Jew. [/quote] weak analogy
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